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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

Go on—just between us.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

Will we have that in time for the debate that you are proposing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

He has not. He promised to do it completely. I heard him. He promised that he would close the gap between council and private nurseries. I have heard nothing today to indicate that you have solved the problem that he said he had identified and would commit to solving.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

That does not deal with the problem.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

You do not agree with the First Minister, in that case.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

Nurseries will hear what you are saying and they will not be impressed, because they have been waiting a long time for this, but let us move on.

I have a final question. How will you ensure that there is adequate funding to meet the commitments that you have made to a national Gaelic plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

I will not be too political with you, but could you realistically spend £400 million in one year to meet the Promise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

That was savage.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

I accept that. Let us move on. I am not sure that I have had a clear answer.

There is an expectation in the education world that we will have substantial reform, although opinion is divided. I will summarise what you have said: basically, a lot is going on—there are big challenges with behaviour, absence and the pandemic—and we need to deal with those and invest in teachers rather than in structural reform. I get that argument. Will that alone deal with the problems of the poverty-related attainment gap—which is still big—and performance overall, internationally? Will it be enough?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Willie Rennie

Okay, I accept all the pandemic stuff. I do not know whether I am going to get anywhere with this, but I am genuinely puzzled that the Government has embarked on a 10-year programme of education reform without really being able to explain why.

There was a kind of panic in 2016, and we set bold ambitions to close the poverty-related attainment gap, whether completely or substantially. At that point, there was an ambition to respond to get us further up the PISA tables, whatever you think of their validity. Nicola Sturgeon said that closing that gap was her “defining mission”. Now, we have moved on from all of that and are saying that it is all about the pandemic. Surely we have to recognise that something was wrong. My view is that you had a ragtag bunch of reforms that did not really come together because you did not understand what the problem was. Is that not right?