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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Right. There were a lot of words there, but I was really just asking this. You did not seem to be aware of what the Promise said—I think that was pretty obvious to everybody.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

The evidence that we have had contradicts that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

We have had evidence from some senior people in the social work service, as well as from care-experienced young people. This very week, on Monday, we had a session with care-experienced young people who told us about this.

Ben Farrugia from Social Work Scotland said:

“If someone seeks support but there is not a crisis, we cannot get to them.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 4 December 2024; c 60.]

In my constituency, I had a case in which a young man’s family were pleading for a long time for early intervention, and the case eventually ended up in crisis and a secure unit because the intervention was not provided early enough.

On Monday, we heard that, if a young person has been in crisis but has moved on from it, social workers are encouraging the family to say that the person is still in crisis, just to get the basic level of support.

Those are three examples from three well-grounded people. Why do you say that it is not a problem?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

Minister, you said in your opening comments that we are “on course”, but, looking at the figures, I do not think that we are. We are way behind. We are five years into the programme and eight years on from the start of the review, but we are just talking about setting up these bodies and having these plans. Surely you cannot say that we are on course.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

We do not have an answer to that first question, then.

The commissioner’s second question was:

“What consideration is Scottish Government giving to national co-ordination of secure placements given the crisis the system is currently experiencing?”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

It was about national co-ordination of secure placements.

10:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

The commissioner’s third question was:

“What steps is Scottish Government taking to ensure that sufficient secure beds, of sufficient quality, are available for the children who need them? When will this detailed information be made available to the Scottish Parliament for their scrutiny?”

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

I was on this committee when, in your evidence on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill, you promised us that there would be sufficient capacity and that that would not be an issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

There were no contingencies for such events. There was nothing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Willie Rennie

I never said that. I am saying that you promised that there would not be a problem, but there is a problem and you did not have any contingencies. That is clear because, if you had had contingencies, we would not be asking these questions today.