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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Why can you not give me a figure, Mr Stewart?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

No鈥擨 am not asking you to pluck a figure; I am just asking you to give me an accurate one. I cannot understand that. It proves my point that you are making it up as you go along. You do not know how much the proposals will cost.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Members of the finance committee, including members of your party, have criticised you for not having the finances. You quoted a figure of 拢1.5 billion, but that is not the cost of restructuring the system to include children鈥檚 services; I presume that it would be the cost of providing the children鈥檚 services themselves. I am asking what the additional cost would be of including children鈥檚 services in the national care service鈥檚 structure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

The minister has just talked about being presented with risk. Has the risk not been caused by moving ahead with a national care service without having thought about where children鈥檚 services will go? Is it not the case that the Government has caused the risk that you have talked about, minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Mr Stewart, you will have seen Daren Fitzhenry鈥檚 contribution to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee yesterday, in which he expressed concerns that the proposed changes would potentially give ministers sweeping powers to limit the scope of his investigations into social care complaints. What is your response to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Irrespective of the conclusion on children鈥檚 services?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

That makes my point for me鈥擨 am sorry to interrupt, Mr Stewart. You are making this up as you go along.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

You are already deciding that you will have a big disruption, with a new law to create a national care service, but without even deciding what is going to be in the national care service. That is making it up as you go along.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

You are not looking at the whole system, though, are you? You have already decided that you are creating a national care service, which will have ramifications for children鈥檚 services. You are not considering services in the round. You have decided that you will take one part out of the system, and you will then decide, as an afterthought, what children鈥檚 services are going to do in response to that disruption.

So, you are not looking at things in the round. You have talked an awful lot this morning about co-design. If, in the co-design process鈥攚hich will presumably include the recipients of services as well as those who provide them鈥攊t is decided that it would be better to leave the structure as it is, are you going to undo all this?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

Not this.