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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

We will accept that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes. There is a general concern about the pace of reform, because it feels very slow. I know that you could come up with an explanation as to why that is so, but, when we have a pretty drastic situation—as reported by the OECD and with heavy criticism from the Stobart review—there is an expectation that we should move a bit faster. What will we get in May? How quickly will the report’s recommendations be implemented?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

I started by talking about marginal improvement in the performance; Kaukab Stewart said that it could be better, which is maybe a fairer way of presenting it. We have a slow process of reform, and we are uncertain about what will happen after the Hayward review. Children who started school when Nicola Sturgeon made that promise in 2016 will have left by the time that we see any potential real benefit. That cannot be satisfactory. Does that really give hope to young people that the Government is on their side?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

I have one final question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

It is not really a question—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

But the success is not a result of the reforms. The reforms were established because of a crisis, and we have not really seen them happen, so you cannot really claim credit for those areas of improvement. I recognise that there are improvements, but we set up those reforms in response to a critical report and nothing much has happened. That is not good enough, is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

My question is about universities. What planning have you done in the event that China invades Taiwan, resulting in a reduction in the number of Chinese students coming to Scottish universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Willie Rennie

It is not that hypothetical.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Willie Rennie

We all appreciate the sensitive way in which you have just addressed that issue, Deputy First Minister. I have met many of the Fornethy survivors, and one can tell that the experience has deeply affected their whole life. I think that they, and everybody here, will appreciate the way in which you have tried to navigate through the difficult legal territory, and I hope that we can find a resolution, because those women deserve justice and fairness.

I want to draw on your wider reflections on the whole process of redress, which is not just about a financial transaction or an application process—people are opening up to you and telling you all their experiences, as happened with the child abuse inquiry. Anybody that they open up to—particularly a Government—has a responsibility and a duty to take that information and treat it with care. It is about the human being as much as the finance.

Now that you are several months into that process, what are your reflections on it? How have you been able to help and assist those individuals? I know that many organisations out there are doing the same work, but people have opened up to you, so what have you learned from the process and what have you reflected on? Do you think that the system that we have in place to carry those people with care is sufficient, if it ever can be so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Willie Rennie

I am not sure that it is correct to brand the senior people that we have had appearing before the committee as recalcitrant and resistant to change. Claire Burns from CELCIS talked about concerns about “unpicking everything”. Martin Crewe, who has decades of experience in children’s services, said:

“I cannot see that the national care service would have a big positive impact.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 16 November 2022; c 36.]

Jackie Irvine, from the Care Inspectorate, talked about “disruption”. I am not sure that it is right to dismiss them as simply being resistant to change.

My main question is about the fact that children’s services were clearly an afterthought. Why were they not included in the Feeley report, and why have you still not decided, even though the bill is currently going through the legislative process, whether they will be included?