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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, there is a budgeting issue that I would like you to clarify. I asked the acting finance secretary which budget line would be reduced in order to allocate, as he wishes to do, a further £60.9 million for hulls 801 and 802 in the draft budget. However, in his answer, he completely failed to address that point, so I am still none the wiser. Given the pressures on the budget for your portfolio and especially the transport aspect, which the deputy convener rightly identified earlier, can you help the committee to understand whether that £60.9 million has come out of your budget?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

In a year’s time, we will see whether we have reached the 16,500 hectares that are planned.

I move to railways. The cost of running the railways has gone up; the major public transport projects budget has gone down, rail franchise costs have gone up, and the costs of rail infrastructure have gone up marginally. Are you comfortable that a budget of £1.4 billion will be sufficient to run the railways, given the peak fares reduction that you mentioned and all the other costs, while passenger numbers are coming down?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay.

Planting is really important if we are to reach net zero, but we are at a stage in this country where we will not have enough harvested timber by 2035 to meet the demands of the sawmills for building and other materials. We have met planting targets in only one of the past eight years.

Cabinet secretary, the increase that you have projected in the budget for forestry planting actually represents a decrease on last year’s budget of about 10 per cent per hectare. If there is a decrease per hectare in the amount of money for planting, how are we going to increase planting, given that costs have obviously gone up?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I am slightly concerned if that is the expectation given that Forestry and Land Scotland has failed to meet any of the planting targets with the budgets that it has already had. If you are cutting the money per hectare, you must be reducing the number of hectares that will be planted, because people are not going to plant more for less when costs have gone up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I am slightly confused. What was the income from rail tickets on the railways last year?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Was it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

So, if I look at the 2019 accounts, I will see that the £184 million is, basically, a 60 per cent reduction in what ScotRail was receiving in 2019, on the basis that we have lost 40 per cent of passengers, according to the figures that we have. I will need to follow up on those figures, but I will take that up with the cabinet secretary.

Cabinet secretary, on that basis, and on the basis that it is costing us more to run the railway but we have slightly fewer services, do you think that, today, the public performance measure for the railways is at a sufficiently high standard?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. My problem is that on 21 February 2019, the First Minister as good as said that the ScotRail franchise should be judged on passenger satisfaction targets—the PPM. On 26 June 2018, Humza Yousaf, who was the Minister for Transport and the Islands at that time, said:

“The set of targets contained in the ScotRail franchise is a challenging but realistic contractual regime to ensure that the punctuality of our rail services is at the forefront of ScotRail’s priorities.”—[Official Report, 26 June 2018; c 4)

That put pressure on the franchise based on PPM. One of the reasons for ScotRail’s nationalisation was the fact that it did not meet its PPM target. The problem is that the PPM of the railways for December 2022 was 86.2 per cent, which is lower than the PPM during the same period in 2019. It was running more services at that time, and achieved a better result, so I have to question whether the budget is realistic and people are getting value for money.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. Sorry that I interrupted you, Monica.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I shall go back—