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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 275 agreed to.

Amendment 276 moved鈥擺Mairi Gougeon].

Amendment 276A moved鈥擺Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 276A be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry鈥擨 should say that we will come to you now, cabinet secretary. You are quick off the blocks.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Yes. I was wondering if you were going to answer the question about compensation being sought from a landlord in relation to deer that are moving from somebody else鈥檚 holding in the middle of the night, say, and then moving back to that other person鈥檚 holding before daybreak. I do not understand how the landlord can be held responsible for that if they are not in a position to control the deer. I do not suppose that the cabinet secretary is expecting landlords to sit up all night waiting for deer to cross into their land and damage their crop, when it should be the person whose land the deer have come from who should be controlling them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

As no other member wishes to speak, I will say a few words, if I may. I find this really difficult because, during the evidence session, we heard that there has been a definite slowdown in the tenanted farming sector as a result of previous changes to legislation under which contracts had been entered into and agreed by both parties. I believe that we need a thriving and stable tenanted sector for Scotland鈥檚 rural economy to survive; we do not need to see it reducing in size. Amending provisions that were agreed in the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991 and the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 will just exaggerate the problem of the decline in the tenanted sector. I also take the view that if the tenant farming commissioner or his predecessor鈥攂oth of whom I have huge respect for and have worked with during their time in office鈥攈ave made a recommendation, it is dangerous to go against them, given that their view is probably based on experience.

In my experience, resumption of parts of farmland either for the landlord or to give bits up鈥攁s I have done myself鈥攗sually involves a conversation around the kitchen table and is done amicably until an agreement is thrashed out. My problem with the amendments that are being made to both the 1991 act and the 2003 act is that they make the situation open-ended. I totally agree that the multipliers of one times the rent for disturbance and four times the rent for reorganization are completely overtaken by events, because costs have risen. That is why I tried to push for a multiplier of 15 in order to give a clear signal to both parties. If the rent on a bit of land was 拢1,000, a tenant in the old days would get just a 拢5,000 payment, whereas, under the system that I was proposing, they would get a 拢15,000 payment. That would be a significant uplift, which, to me, reflects the cost.

To be honest, I am also disappointed that, although I thought that one had been reached, we do not seem to have any agreement on this between tenants and landlords. The very fact that they have not agreed means that we are in a situation where neither side can work out what is best for the tenanted farming sector. What is clear is that where we are is not suitable and will cause a further reduction in tenanted farms. For that reason, I make it entirely clear that, until agreement is reached between the parties, I will vote against any amendment on this matter that I see before me at this stage, and I encourage members to vote against it, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 278 agreed to.

Amendment 279 agreed to.

Amendment 280 moved鈥擺Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 240 disagreed to.

Amendments 241 to 245 moved鈥擺Mairi Gougeon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

In relation to which amendments, Mr Lumsden?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)