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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

The final issue is the operation of proxy voting. You might want to lead off on that, convener. I would be interested to hear your views on the mechanics of how it would work. I am sorry—I have reversed things. After hearing from you, I will be able to give my views.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

In my mind, for a normal decision time, that absolutely works. However, when we have the complicated procedure of a stage 3 debate, in which we could have amendment after amendment, it might be useful for members to have a duty to forewarn the Presiding Officer—or the person in the chair—that they will have a proxy vote. We need to work out a way that means that members do not have to pop up every 30 seconds after every vote to make a point of order. I do not know the answer to how we do that, but it is a matter of courtesy that, at some stage, for each vote, the member who holds the proxy should remind the Presiding Officer that they hold the proxy for that individual.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

I like to feel that the relationship between each member and the Presiding Officer should be such that members have the confidence to speak about that to the Presiding Officer. An initial four-week period for the proxy, which can be extended if the member speaks to the Presiding Officer again, allows the Presiding Officer to exercise their pastoral care of the individual. I really believe that that is important and I also think that it is important for the member to continue to feel engaged and wanted by the Parliament. I am keen on a four-week period, but it should not be limited. For example, maternity leave is 26 weeks, and members can extend that by another 26 weeks to 52 weeks if they have been employed for a certain amount of time beforehand. I do not believe that the proxy vote should be limited in that way. We should trust the Presiding Officer and the members to behave in a way that is appropriate, and I am sure that they will.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

I find unhelpful the suggestion in the letter from the Parliamentary Bureau that pairing might be used as an alternative to short-term proxy voting. Last year, when I was paired for a good proportion of time, I felt that my vote did not count. If a member wants to exercise their vote, I do not think that pairing is an acceptable option, because the member is there to represent their constituency and it is unhelpful if they cannot vote and are only paired. That is why we came to look at proxy voting in the first place. I think that that suggestion from the bureau is unhelpful and I hope that the committee will consider it irrelevant to the proposal that we are putting forward.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

I agree with Bob Doris on that. I took my oath remotely because I could not come into the Parliament. I had a discussion with the then Presiding Officer about that beforehand. He was aware of the situation but no one else knew about it. We need somehow to get across to members the point that the Presiding Officer has a pastoral duty to ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ and that they should have the confidence to speak to her.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Convener, I accept take your point, although I dispute that there is ever chaos in the Parliament.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

It would also be helpful if the clerks could keep a record for the first year of the number of times that proxies are used. That would inform decisions about how to do that. I know it will be difficult to get that record retrospectively; it would be easy to do so at the time.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Edward Mountain

We could say that the committee believes that that part of the code of conduct would be breached if the person knowingly did that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Programme for Government

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

We agree that there is a need for it. I was concerned that Donald Henderson said to the committee just now that he did not have a timescale for it. I am trying to push you on the timescale.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 27 September 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you. As members have no other questions, thank you very much, cabinet secretary. We will have a brief pause to allow a changeover of witnesses. Thank you to those who are leaving, and thank you to those who are staying.

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