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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

I will bring in Liam Kerr, who has a question about planning.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

You have no time to think, Mark.

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Scott Mathieson, do you want to say something briefly or just say you agree?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, Liam. Monica Lennon has questions. I will cheekily say to you that I will not interrupt you until just after 12, then I will interrupt you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

The next item on our agenda is an evidence session as part of our inquiry into Scotland’s electricity infrastructure and whether it is an inhibitor or enabler of our energy ambitions. This is a new inquiry, the aim of which is to scrutinise what electricity infrastructure will be needed to realise the ambitions that are set out in the Scottish Government’s new draft energy strategy and just transition plan. The inquiry will be a short one that will lead to a report to the Scottish Government as it finalises its strategy.

Today, we will hold the first evidence sessions in the inquiry with two panels that comprise representatives of a wide range of interests in energy. I am pleased to welcome the first panel: Stuart Haszeldine is professor of carbon capture and storage at the University of Edinburgh; Clare Lavelle is director of energy and advisory leader north at Arup; Emily Rice is the Scotland policy analyst at Solar Energy UK; and Tom Quinn is head of analysis and insights at Offshore Renewable Energy Catapult. Thank you for accepting our invitations to be here today.

Before we move to questions, I remind members and people who are listening that, as a farmer and a landowner, I have electricity transmission lines across my farm in the form of 11kV lines, which are the small ones, and 33kV ring main lines, which are the bigger ones, and I am in negotiation for a 132kV power line to go through the farm. All those will generate some income at some stage for me.

I want there to be no doubt that I have some interests. I will make that declaration as and when it is appropriate to do so. I do not believe that that prevents me from doing my job as convener.

The first questions are from Liam Kerr.

09:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has one follow-up question, after which I will ask a final question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. If there are no other comments, on that basis, I propose that we invite MĂ iri McAllan to come to the meeting next week and give a short bit of evidence to explain the situation. I will also ask the clerks to write on behalf of the committee to the regulatory authorities to ask whether they would like to submit any evidence. That evidence might be difficult to gather in the timescale, but I will give them the deadline of Monday morning next week, so that we have time to consider it before the meeting on Tuesday. That is a logical way to deal with this so that we can fully understand it. If everyone is agreed on that, that is what I will progress to do.

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 10th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have apologies from Ash Regan. I welcome Collette Stevenson, who is joining us as a substitute member.

The first item on the agenda is to decide whether to take items 5 and 6 in private. Under item 5, we will consider evidence that we will hear today as part of our inquiry into Scotland’s electricity infrastructure. Under item 6, we will consider correspondence relating to appointments to the board of Environmental Standards Scotland. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 March 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I will now ask my question. A book that I read when I was younger and which I still look at is “The Dam Builders—Power from the Glens”, which is a great book. It talks about Scotland’s transition to using renewable energy in the form of hydro pump storage and all the rest of it, with massive dam building. As a result of that, we transferred power to the areas that needed it along what were then superhighways. Scotland’s countryside has been shaped by those superhighways that were put in in the 1950s—the 132kV lines. They were obviously built there for a reason, because that was probably the best route and the most protected route.

Aileen McLeod and Scott Mathieson have talked about planning and the difficulties of it. Because those lines are already there, one way to avoid planning problems would be to make sure that those lines are upgraded, without moving them, and that they form the basis of the superhighway in the future. Is that not a simple answer?