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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we leave talking about Glasgow, could Dom Callaghan clarify something for me? There is talk that the council would like to include the M8 in the LEZ. Is that true?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I wanted to clarify that because, from my understanding of the 2019 act, special roads, such as some trunk roads and the M8, cannot be included in LEZs. I wanted to ascertain what the process would be if the council鈥檚 aspiration were to include the M8 in the LEZ. Who would have to give authority for that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

The final questions for this panel come from Monica Lennon, who has waited very patiently.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we go to Gavin Thomson, I see that Gary Fuller has his hand up. I am worried that it might drop off, so I just want him to know that we have noted it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

These are your questions. I just did not want his arm to fall off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

That is interesting. There is the argument about who should benefit from the money from LEZs. For example, should it be people in rural communities because they are not able to get into the zones? Does Gavin Thomson want to answer that and the wider question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I think that the nuance between a penalty and a charge will be lost on most people鈥攊t is certainly lost on me. If I pay to go into an LEZ, it is a charge. It is not a penalty; I am paying a charge. That was always my view during consideration of the Transport (Scotland) Bill. People will have to pay to go into the zone if they have no other way of getting in. Therefore, it is a charge rather than a penalty.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

We move to our second evidence-taking session on the air quality improvement plan, and I am pleased to welcome to the meeting a panel of local authority representatives: Kenny Bisset, lead officer, land and air quality team, Fife Council; Dom Callaghan, assistant group manager, sustainability, Glasgow City Council; and Shauna Clarke, environmental health officer, City of Edinburgh Council. Thank you for accepting our invitation.

I should say that the previous session ran over slightly, so if you see me waggling my pen, it is because I am trying to get you to keep your answers short and keep the questions coming in from committee members.

We will head off straight away. The first question is from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is a round-table discussion as part of our consideration of air quality in Scotland. I refer members to the papers for this item.

The committee has a role in scrutinising the Scottish Government鈥檚 air quality improvement plan, which was prepared in response to a report by Environmental Standards Scotland that looked at nitrogen dioxide levels in Scotland. As part of our formal consideration of the improvement plan, the committee has also agreed to examine wider issues in relation to air quality policy. We launched a targeted call for written views in February and agreed to invite a panel of stakeholders to give evidence on the issue.

I am therefore pleased to welcome Stuart Hay, director of Living Streets Scotland; Craig McLaren, director of the Royal Town Planning Institute Scotland; Gavin Thomson, air pollution campaigner for Friends of the Earth Scotland; and Paul White, director of the Confederation of Passenger Transport Scotland. Joining us remotely is Dr Gary Fuller, UK Research and Innovation clean air champion and senior lecturer in air quality measurement at Imperial College London. Good morning to you all. Thank you for accepting our invitation and thanks to those who provided a mass of written evidence. We are delighted to have the panel here this morning.

We have allocated about an hour for questions, but we will see how we go. Committee members should try to direct questions to the person whom they want to answer them. Not all panel members will get a chance to answer every question but, if you feel that you are being left out, you can indicate to me, and I will try to bring you in to make sure that everyone gets a fair chance to answer all the questions.

The first questions are from the deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Edward Mountain

That is interesting. I do not think that all buses that operate in rural settings go into LEZs. For example, there is no LEZ proposed for the Highlands, although perhaps we will see one proposed. I am not suggesting that we will, but we may see more non-Euro 6 engines, or perhaps not.