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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Okay. You mentioned that, and I am interested in it. I know that CalMac is looking to charge islanders for delivering parcels from third parties such as Amazon to islands with a low number of inhabitants. CalMac suggests that it would cost it a quarter of a million pounds every year to provide that service to islanders on islands such as Raasay, rather than making a lorry go across with one package. Are you saying that you would view that as part of being in the community?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

You cannot make such a comment without explaining why that is different from CMAL鈥檚 approach to design. It is such a throwaway line that I must push you on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

I have another question but, as I have already asked a lot, does anyone else have a question that they want to ask first? Jackie Dunbar does.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 7 is consideration of a negative instrument. As the instrument has been laid under the negative procedure, its provisions will come into force unless the Parliament agrees a motion to annul them. No such motion has been lodged.

Do members have any comments?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Helen Inkster, will you plead the fifth on that as well?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

So, having identified the passenger need and the demand for the service, you both went ahead and designed a boat. The reason that I am pushing slightly on this issue is that I watched the design process for 801 and 802; it was done by CalMac, and then it went up to CMAL and then to Transport Scotland. Those bodies have all had a measure of involvement in the process and they have all changed the demands slightly, so we have ended up with a ferry that has more capacity for passengers than has ever been used on that route previously and a demand for vehicles on one particular service that probably exists for only 10 per cent of the year. Meanwhile, you have gone for smaller, more flexible designs that can be ramped up or down as required.

Do you think that the Government procurement process for ferries is cumbersome? Is that the way in which ferries in Scotland should be built in the future?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. Are there any questions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2022 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

Agenda item 1 is to decide whether to take agenda items 9 and 10 in private. Under agenda item 9, the committee will consider the evidence that it will hear under agenda item 6, and under agenda item 10, the committee will consider a draft letter to the Scottish Government on our pre-budget scrutiny.

Is the committee content to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is consideration of a draft Scottish statutory instrument. I welcome to the meeting Jenny Gilruth, the Minister for Transport鈥攖hank you for making yourself available, minister鈥攁nd her officials: Elise McIntyre, principal legal officer, Scottish Government legal directorate, and Donald Morrison, head of asset management and procurement, Transport Scotland.

As the instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, the Parliament must approve鈥擺Interruption.] It is very dangerous if somebody else can mute the convener, as just happened鈥攊t is not something that I want to continue in future.

Let me try that bit again. As the instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, the Parliament must approve it before it can come into force. Following this evidence-taking session, the committee will be invited under the next agenda item to consider a motion to approve the instrument. I remind everyone that officials can speak under this item but will not be able to speak in the debate that follows.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement. Minister, I can mute your microphone if you go on too long鈥攂ut, of course, I would not do that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Edward Mountain

Okay. Gordon, I want to push you on a comment that you made about crewing and the fact that the crews live locally. A lot of the CMAL boats have crews that live on board. I remember hearing some good reasons and some bad reasons for that. You suggested that there is more flexibility to call crews in if they are not tied to a specific boat. Is that your opinion in respect of the smaller boats? Is there a stage at which a boat is big enough for living-on crewing to be justified?