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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

The second item on the agenda is an evidence session as part of our consideration of air quality in Scotland.

The committee has a role in scrutinising the Scottish Government鈥檚 air quality improvement plan, which was prepared in response to a report by Environmental Standards Scotland that looked at nitrogen dioxide levels. As part of our formal consideration of the improvement plan, the committee also agreed to examine wider issues in relation to air quality policy.

Last week, we held evidence sessions with stakeholders and local authorities. Today, we will continue our evidence taking by hearing from Environmental Standards Scotland to discuss its views on the improvement plan.

I am very pleased to welcome Mark Roberts, who is chief executive of Environmental Standards Scotland, and Jamie McGrandles, who is head of investigations, standards and compliance at Environmental Standards Scotland. Thank you for accepting our invitation to come to the meeting.

Would Mark Roberts like to make a brief opening statement?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

Although I did not take part in that conversation, I should say鈥攋ust so that there is no doubt; the committee already knows this鈥攖hat I have a registered interest in an agricultural enterprise.

The deputy convener has another question, after which I will ask a couple of my own.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

ESS has responsibilities, and you are asking SEPA to ensure that there is enforcement. My concern is that SEPA suffered a massive malware attack, is being given extra responsibilities relating to the deposit return scheme and is now being asked to do more in this area. Although SEPA might have the necessary powers, are you confident that it has the resources to use them? There is no point in ESS doing all its work if, when you pass it to the next level, nothing happens.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. The first questions come from Jackie Dunbar.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I would like to clarify something before I go back to Jackie Dunbar. You were quite gentle on why some councils were further ahead than others. Would it be fair to ask you whether some councils were more ready鈥攖hat is, they had the facilities and the ability to act already鈥攚hereas others were trying to catch up, or have some councils simply applied themselves to the problem more quickly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I welcome everyone back after that short suspension. We will continue with our evidence taking on air quality improvement with a panel from the Scottish Government.

I am pleased to welcome M脿iri McAllan, the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero and Just Transition鈥攃ongratulations on your appointment and expanded role, cabinet secretary鈥攚ho is joined by Andrew Taylor, policy manager, Scottish Government, and Vincent McInally, environment and air quality manager, Transport Scotland. Thank you for accepting our invitation.

Before we go to questions, cabinet secretary, I believe you want to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

That is interesting.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I am sorry, but you are stepping on some of the questions that Liam Kerr was programming himself to ask. I will bring Liam Kerr in now and come back to you, if I may, Fiona.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

That makes it quite difficult for the committee, in the sense that we are looking at a plan and at reviews, so I was trying to tie you a bit more tightly into giving a view.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a question, before we leave the discussion of SEPA. I think that the SEPA budget went up by 拢7 million this year. That is on the back of it coming out of a massive problem with its information technology system, taking on the responsibility of DRS and also taking on the air quality issues. You say that SEPA鈥檚 funding is sufficient. Are you confident that the increase will allow it to do all the things that it is being asked to do? There are some concerns about that.