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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, I absolutely understand that the PPM shows the percentage of trains that ran their entire journey, called at all scheduled stations and arrived at their terminating station within five minutes—or for long-distance services, 10 minutes—of their planned arrival time. However, the problem is that you are running fewer trains on a service that is less crowded and your performance is worse than Abellio’s. I am just asking whether that is acceptable to you, with an increasing budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that it would follow the London buses model more than one in which the councils have ownership?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome back to the meeting. Those of you who joined us earlier will know that we moved on to agenda item 4, as the cabinet secretary had been unavoidably detained in traffic.

We now move to agenda item 2, which is an evidence session on the Scottish budget 2023-24. I refer members to the papers under that item. On 15 December, the Scottish Government published its annual budget, which sets out its tax and spending plans for the coming year. We are joined by Michael Matheson, Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport, to explore the budget within his portfolio.

I welcome the cabinet secretary and thank him for his reply just before Christmas to our pre-budget letter, elements of which I expect may come up in this morning’s discussion. I also welcome the Scottish Government officials Simon Fuller, who is deputy director for rural and environmental science and analytical services, and Jon Rathjen, who is deputy director for water policy and directorate for energy and climate change operations; and Kerry Twyman, who is director of finance and corporate services for Transport Scotland. Thank you all for attending.

We have allocated around 90 minutes for this item. Before we start the questions, I believe that the cabinet secretary would like to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

At an earlier meeting, we agreed to take item 4—consideration of a draft report—in private.

Normally, we would move to item 2, which is budget scrutiny. However, the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport has been unavoidably delayed. We will therefore move to item 4, which will be taken in private, and we will recommence in public session when the cabinet secretary has managed to get to the Parliament. Does anyone have any problems with that?

Members: No.

09:33 Meeting continued in private.  

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Is Alex Hynes still on the board of Network Rail and does he run Network Rail Scotland, for which he gets a salary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a quick question on that, and I just want to clarify one point. Looking at the future for buses and local authorities, I am concerned that the cost of an electric bus seems to vary between £800,000 and £1 million. Will there be massive demand if local authorities go for electric buses? It will be not just one bus but hundreds of buses that are required. Looking to the future, how will that be funded, if that is your preferred option?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions on that subject, and I will bring in Mark Ruskell after that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, there is a budgeting issue that I would like you to clarify. I asked the acting finance secretary which budget line would be reduced in order to allocate, as he wishes to do, a further £60.9 million for hulls 801 and 802 in the draft budget. However, in his answer, he completely failed to address that point, so I am still none the wiser. Given the pressures on the budget for your portfolio and especially the transport aspect, which the deputy convener rightly identified earlier, can you help the committee to understand whether that £60.9 million has come out of your budget?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

In a year’s time, we will see whether we have reached the 16,500 hectares that are planned.

I move to railways. The cost of running the railways has gone up; the major public transport projects budget has gone down, rail franchise costs have gone up, and the costs of rail infrastructure have gone up marginally. Are you comfortable that a budget of £1.4 billion will be sufficient to run the railways, given the peak fares reduction that you mentioned and all the other costs, while passenger numbers are coming down?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay.

Planting is really important if we are to reach net zero, but we are at a stage in this country where we will not have enough harvested timber by 2035 to meet the demands of the sawmills for building and other materials. We have met planting targets in only one of the past eight years.

Cabinet secretary, the increase that you have projected in the budget for forestry planting actually represents a decrease on last year’s budget of about 10 per cent per hectare. If there is a decrease per hectare in the amount of money for planting, how are we going to increase planting, given that costs have obviously gone up?