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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Edward Mountain

On the emissions, do you also think there is a problem with reliability when a ferry gets to that age?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much. That has been an extraordinarily helpful session for us as part of our inquiry. Thank you very much for giving your time generously to us this morning to help widen our knowledge about ferries and how other countries are dealing with the issues that we are facing in Scotland.

I will suspend the meeting briefly and we will reconvene at 11 o’clock.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. We are now going to hear from our second panel as part of our inquiry into a modern and sustainable ferry service for Scotland. Joining us to offer their views on the future of ferry provision in Scotland and to discuss their current activities we have ferry operators who provide Government-subsidised services: CalMac Ferries and NorthLink Ferries.

I am delighted to welcome Robbie Drummond, chief executive of CalMac; Stuart Garrett, the managing director of NorthLink Ferries; Kris Bevan, the freight manager of NorthLink Ferries; and Jim Dow, the commercial director of NorthLink Ferries. Thank you all for accepting our invitation and for sending us some useful information in advance. Some of it arrived in response to a letter that was sent just last week, so I am especially grateful to Robbie Drummond for turning that around so quickly. It is helpful to the committee.

The deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop, will lead off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Or they are not going to say that they disagree with him. Thank you. We will take it that they agree.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for clarity on that.

There are questions from the committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I will keep to myself my views about Government IT schemes, having seen them in operation in the six years that I have been in Parliament.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

Before I bring in Mark Ruskell, I have to ask you a question, minister. When SEPA came to the committee the other day, we talked to it about its role and responsibilities. It is clear to me and, I guess, to many other people that, after the data hack that SEPA suffered, it has never really got back on its feet and is struggling to regulate various parts of the industry and to retain and use its data, because it cannot access that data.

Are you happy giving SEPA a bit more power to do something else? Are you happy that it has the resources to do that, given that its budget has not gone up? I ask that, because it seems that there is no more money and that SEPA is under pressure and cannot do the job that it is doing at the moment, yet you are giving it something else to do. Will that work?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I have some comments to make. I am deeply concerned that we are asking SEPA to take on further responsibilities when it does not have the resource and the staffing to do so. We are also asking it to take on the responsibilities of, in the minister’s words, funding its operations from within the scheme and of becoming the judge, jury and, as it were, implementer of the fine when it is put in place. I have problems with Government agencies being asked to take on all those responsibilities, especially in relation to a criminal offence.

On the regulations, the minister made it clear that the offences will be known and that it is up to producers to work out what to do to avoid them but that there is a regulation to punish them if they do not do so. To me, that is putting the cart before the horse, and I struggle with that. I have real problems understanding how it will work, so trying to legislate on a small part of it is really difficult for me. It puts me in a corner in which I would rather not be.

Those are my comments. If any other members want to make a contribution, I am very happy to take it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

I guess the question then is how to appeal it, but that will come out, probably, in further legislation.

Let us move on to agenda item 3, which is the formal consideration of motion—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Edward Mountain

The question is, that motion S6M-07583 in the name of Lorna Slater be agreed to. Are we all agreed?

Members: No.