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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Who do you report to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session on Scotland’s railways. In March last year, the committee held evidence sessions with rail industry stakeholders and the Scottish Government in advance of ScotRail’s transfer into public ownership, and we agreed to keep a watching brief on the issue.

The purpose of today’s session is to take stock of ScotRail’s first year in public ownership, considering issues such as industrial relations, fares and usage, and the future of the rail industry in Scotland.

I am pleased to welcome on our first panel Mick Hogg, who is the regional organiser and lead officer for ScotRail and Caledonian Sleeper at the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers; Gary Kelly, who is the organiser for Scotland and Ireland at the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association; Kevin Lindsay, who is the district organiser for the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen; and Robert Samson, who is the senior stakeholder manager for Transport Focus.

I thank you very much for accepting our invitation; we are delighted to have you here. We have allowed about an hour for the session.

We will go straight into questions, and the first ones will come from Fiona Hyslop, who is the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

We will come to the subject of ticketing later. You are obviously passionate about it, so you will get a chance to come in on it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes. That would fit logically.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Who is that aimed at? It can be aimed at only one person.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much.

Before we go any further, I will check whether there are any declarations of interests.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a quick question about that. I have noticed that it has been said a couple of times during the meeting that the bus services in urban areas can be as good as you like, but if people who live in rural areas cannot get into the urban areas, urban services are pretty much useless to them. How are we going to take the rural areas along with the ambition if they lack the services?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much. In that case, the next questions will come from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we move on, Silke Isbrand wants to add to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I did some figures across Highland—60 per cent of the houses do not meet energy performance certificate C standard. If you do a back-of-a-fag-packet calculation—which I am not in favour of—it comes out at about £350 million to get the houses that are below EPC C up to that standard, which is a huge cost. If you put that out across the whole of Scotland, across all the local authorities, the costs will be eye-watering. From the committee’s point of view, it is about keeping a handle on that.

Gail, do you think that COSLA will be able to give us an indication of the costs? We know the size of the problem, but surely we cannot fix it until we know the size of the costs.