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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 4 is to formally consider the type 1 consent notification by the Scottish Government relating to the Persistent Organic Pollutants (Amendment) Regulations 2023 in light of the evidence that we have just heard. If members are content for consent to be given, we could write to the Scottish Government and ask it to keep us up to date on developments at a reasonable stage in the future. We could also write to the Government and say that we are not content.

Is anyone on the committee not content to grant consent? It appears that we are all content to ask the Government to grant consent. It would therefore be appropriate if the committee agreed that we ask to be updated in a year’s time to find out how we are moving forward on finding an alternative. That might be the most appropriate thing to do. Is the committee content to do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

We could, as part of writing to the Scottish Government, say to it that we would like to be kept updated and that we would like comment from it on whether it feels that sufficient protocols are in place for disposal after use. We could easily do that as part of the letter.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Therefore, it is not being sold.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a couple of housekeeping points. Someone talked about agriculture getting a bye. I remind the committee that I have an interest in an agricultural holding, in the form of a farm that my family runs and operates. We have trees on that farm, in case we get on to the subject of trees, and I have houses on that farm, which are let out. I say that so that there is no dubiety and not because I am trying to cut anyone off.

I also remind witnesses that they certainly do not have push the buttons on their microphones. In fact, if they push those buttons, that will probably turn them off when we are trying to turn them on. Leave the button alone and we will ensure that everyone can hear your dulcet tones. I say this with a smile: if you move your microphone away and suddenly get to speak, we will not be able to hear you. I am not looking at anyone in particular.

The next few questions come from Liam Kerr.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes; but first, cabinet secretary, I understand the breadth of your portfolio, but it would be helpful to have a bit more detail in a written response to the committee when you have had a chance to reflect on it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

You may, as long as it is one and it is brief.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you for that brief question and brief answer, which bring us to the end of this session. I will suspend the meeting until 11:15 to allow for a changeover of witnesses and let members prepare for the next item. Cabinet secretary, thank you and your officials for attending. You are staying with the committee for the next item, so we will see you shortly.

11:07 Meeting suspended.  

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

United Kingdom Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item is evidence on a type 1 consent notification on the Persistent Organic Pollutants (Amendment) Regulations 2023.

The United Kingdom Government is seeking the Scottish Government’s consent to legislate in an area of devolved competence in respect of a UK statutory instrument. On 18 June, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition notified the committee of the UK instrument. The Scottish Government asked whether the committee could, exceptionally, consider the regulations by 28 June, in order to complete parliamentary consideration before the summer recess. I agreed to place the item on the agenda for this meeting.

The committee’s role is to decide whether it agrees with the Scottish Government’s proposal to consent to the UK Government making the regulations within devolved competence, and in the manner that the UK Government has indicated to the Scottish Government. We aim to come to a view on that after today’s evidence.

I am pleased to welcome back Màiri McAllan, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition. The cabinet secretary is joined by Dan Merckel, chemicals team leader from the Scottish Government. Before we move on to questions, would you like to make a brief opening statement, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, could you clarify something about the proposed heat in buildings bill? By my calculation, if Highland Council were to update its housing stock to give it all an energy performance certificate rating of C, the estimated cost would be £0.25 billion. Will the proposed heat in buildings bill have some detailed financial workings on how we are going to achieve its requirements?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Edward Mountain

It is quite interesting that Highland Council stopped its rates a couple of weeks ago because it was undercutting everyone else, giving cheaper electricity.

Monica Lennon is next.