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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session with the Scottish Government to discuss its priorities following the change of First Minister and the associated reshuffle earlier this year. That made things more interesting—or, perhaps, more complicated—for the committee in that, instead of scrutinising the work of one Cabinet minister, we now find ourselves scrutinising the work of three.

We heard from the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Net Zero and Just Transition in June, and we heard from the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy last week. This week, we begin by hearing from the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands, Mairi Gougeon. Welcome, cabinet secretary.

I am pleased to also welcome George Burgess, director of agriculture and rural economy, and David Signorini, interim director of environment and forestry, both from the Scottish Government.

The evidence session takes place in the run-up to preparations for the Scottish Government’s budget for 2023-24, and following confirmation earlier this month that there is to be a new land reform bill.

Cabinet secretary, I believe that you wish to make an opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you, cabinet secretary. Before we go any further, I remind the committee and the cabinet secretary of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which clearly shows that I am a member of a family farming partnership and own land in Moray.

Now that that is on the record I would like to clarify something before we move to questions. When we were discussing land reform prior to the reshuffle, it fell within Màiri McAllan’s portfolio. Can you confirm to me that everything to do with land reform now falls purely within your portfolio, cabinet secretary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Gosh, it is terribly confusing, but I am glad that we have got that on the record. I can look back and make sure that I get it right in the future. Ash Regan has the first questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Before we move on to the next question, I note that we wrote to you, cabinet secretary, on the appointment of land commissioners. Andrew Thin is stepping down as chairman, and we asked why you had chosen to extend his time in post for three months. That suggests that you started the recruitment too late or that there was a problem with it. Could you highlight the reason for that extension, please?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I am sorry—I am completely confused. I understand that you want continuity but, if you want continuity, surely you should recruit before the person’s time is up rather than extending their time in post.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I thought you had another one about pavement parking, but I see that you have asked it. Over to you, Douglas.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I know that you want to ask one more question, but I have to push everyone for short questions and answers because other people want to come in. That said, off you go.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

I will push you on that. We are running out of time to go out to tender for the contract. I feel that one of the most difficult decisions to make would be to recommend that it is again awarded to CalMac. Islanders are probably thinking, “How can you give it to CalMac, when it has been so bad at delivering what it has been delivering for the last contract period?”

I want to push you on when we are going to get an answer. I would also like to know what key things you will do to reassure islanders that if it is a direct award, you will be right on top of the delivery of the service. The figures that we got from CalMac on its delivery of standards were opaque, to say the least.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Just before we leave the topic of railways, one of the reasons that was given when ScotRail was nationalised was that Abellio was not meeting its public performance measures. However, with fewer trains and less work being done on the railways, the Scottish Government is still failing to meet its targets. What is the reason for that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Edward Mountain

Your point is well made, Mark. The committee has written to both the Scottish Government and the UK Government to ask for their opinions and what actions are available to them if this SI is passed, and we will have to consider carefully the letters that we get back at a later date.

As the Scottish Government is consenting to what the UK Government is doing, it is difficult for us to do within the timeframe any more than what is in those letters. That is the quandary in which we find ourselves. The committee will just have to understand that we will look carefully at the letters from both the UK and Scottish Governments when they come back. If we want to make recommendations, we can do so, but in the meantime, I fear that we have little or no option but to agree to the SI.

I will move to the substantive question. Is the committee content that the provision set out in the notification should be made to the proposed UK statutory instrument?

Members indicated agreement.