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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas, did you have a question on this subject?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, are any other companies in the same position as ScotRail and are privately audited?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

There are some follow-up questions in this area. I will move to Mark Ruskell first, and then I have a question. I am looking to see whether any other committee member has a question, too.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I will ask a question first, if I may, and then I will bring you in on your next point.

Monica, I have just heard two members questioning you on concerns about the consenting aspect. There is a way of allaying people鈥檚 concerns, because those concerns come from outside the committee, and that is for you, the Government or individual members to lodge amendments to get round them. I am not sure that I have heard this from you, and I might have got this wrong, but did you say that you were not going to lodge amendments and that it is up to other people to lodge amendments, or will you be lodging amendments in light of what you have heard this morning from committee members?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

You have heard during the evidence sessions, which you have attended, that there is some concern about an overlap between section 40 of the RRA and the bill. The cabinet secretary has alluded to the fact that, in principle, she is happy with the general principles of the bill. Can you explain to the committee and to me why you decided to pursue a separate offence, rather than amending section 40 of the RRA?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

It is quite difficult for the committee to consider this, cabinet secretary, if we do not fully understand the implications of what we are doing, because we do not have the final LCM in front of us. That causes me concern.

Let me push you on this issue slightly. Is the Scottish Government seeking concurrent powers to those being granted to the secretary of state in relation to implementing these obligations? Are you looking for the same powers in Scotland, or are you just going to be in a position where you will give those over to the secretary of state?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I can rephrase it, if you like.

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is consideration of a draft statutory instrument. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, in its report, made no comment on the instrument. I welcome Fiona Hyslop, Cabinet Secretary for Transport, and her supporting officials, Ninian Christie, lawyer for the Scottish Government, and Lee Shedden, head of rail sponsorship and regulation for Transport Scotland.

The instrument is laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under the current item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. I understand the reasons that you have given.

How much were the people of Scotland paying for the previous audit?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Edward Mountain

So you are saving about 拢165,000?