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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Tim Eagle to speak to amendment 508A and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that Monica Lennon will respond to the following points when she winds up. To correct Michael Matheson, which I do not do without being careful, the Crown Estate has estates on land as well as at sea. Those estates are spread across Scotland and are not only agricultural. The Crown Estate has other interests as well.

I tend to agree with Monica Lennon that Crown Estate reform was probably overdue when it was carried out. It is a journey that we are only part of the way through, and we are waiting to see its full effects. I have long argued about the issue of which organisation should realistically get the income from ScotWind and whether that should be Crown Estate Scotland or the Scottish Government. The sale of a long-term lease is actually revenue, so a percentage is kept by the Crown Estate and a percentage goes to the Government, and capital has to be reinvested back by the Crown Estate into the estate itself.

I am taken by the fact that, 19 years ago, Bidwells鈥擨 declare that I worked there then鈥攎anaged Crown Estate lands in a part of Scotland. It was interesting due to the complexity of the management of those lands, which was not carried out by the Crown Estate but by surveyors and by several firms around Scotland. That ensured that there was the capacity to manage the land. I strongly question whether local authorities would have the scope to carry out the management of the Crown estate foreshore if that were to be passed over to them.

I also agree with the deputy convener that, when it comes to the management of the Crown estate, it is good that that is done by a central body across Scotland. That means that there is no dubiety and that there are not the huge variations that there could be in, say, how much local authorities charge for even a minor thing such as the mooring of a buoy on the seabed .

I am nervous about the amendments. I can see why they might be attractive, but maybe the cabinet secretary can set all our minds at rest. We come to you now, cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Ariane Burgess to speak to amendment 380 and other amendments in the group.

Ariane, it is nice to see you here, instead of chairing a committee meeting that conflicts with this one. Over to you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, Ariane. Does any other member wish to speak?

As no one wishes to speak, I will just say that I was slightly thrown in some respects by the amendments on a model lease. It would have been far more helpful to have a model lease included in the bill as introduced, so that one could see whether or not it was going to work, rather than considering a suggestion that it should come later.

I am also slightly confused by Ariane Burgess鈥檚 suggestion of a model lease for hutters鈥攐r for hutting, as it were, rather than hutters. I do not understand whether that lease would be completely separate. Would it be a lease under other legislation, rather than the bill? Would it absolve people who take on a hutting lease from anything to do with an agricultural tenancy or an agricultural holding, or any of the leases in other legislation?

I do not have a huge number of civil servants behind me, but the cabinet secretary does, and I come to her now to explain the amendments.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Would you give way on that point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Mark Ruskell to speak to Ariane Burgess鈥檚 amendment 6 and her other amendments, but he will get a chance to speak to the other amendments in the group later.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Mercedes Villalba to speak to amendment 140 and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 163 disagreed to.

Amendment 164 not moved.

Amendment 165 moved鈥擺Mairi Gougeon].

Amendment 165A not moved.

Amendment 165 agreed to.

Amendment 458 moved鈥擺Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

You are back on microphone, Mercedes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 156 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.