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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, you travelled business class to all those destinations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why were those papers produced in draft but not provided to the membership of that group?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

This is extraordinary. You just said that you first knew that £40 million had been blown and was no longer ring fenced on the day of the meeting in which you told the court about the £35 million to £40 million shortfall. That morning, you woke up thinking that you would go to court and tell them everything was fine. Between waking up and going to court, you found out that you had lost £40 million. Is that your evidence? That is not credible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Having read the entire report and everything that has been written about this, and having listened to staff, students and whistleblowers who have revealed some of the graphic details of what went on, I am led to only two final conclusions: you were either incompetent or corrupt. Which was it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am grateful for your time today. I understand that this will not have been easy. I hope that, in some ways, you have been able to put your side of the argument. It is for others to judge the merits or otherwise of what you have told us and what other witnesses have told us. The matter certainly had to be thoroughly investigated and interrogated. You have been part of that by making yourself available today. For that, I thank you.

I thank members for their patience this week, which has been very busy for the committee, especially given the education matters that have been discussed in the chamber.

Meeting closed at 11:30.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You were clearly trying to make the financial statements look better than they were and you were found out days later by the auditors. I will move on to questions from Maggie Chapman.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

How could the same person who got her forensic analysis of the financial situation correct get her forensic analysis of your leadership style—in your view—wrong?

Pamela Gillies said that you

“tended to control the narrative to Court and elsewhere, consistently painting a picture that all was well in the University”,

that you

“frequently demonstrated hubris ... dangerous over self-confidence and complacency, often in combination with arrogance”,

and that you had an

“overbearing leadership style, behaviours and dislike of potentially awkward confrontations and questioning.”

It was not just one remark; she rips apart your character.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Professor Gillespie, the evidence was submitted in order to allow us to question witnesses, including you. Are you saying that you did not prepare for this session by looking at the evidence that has been submitted by others?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

How could she get that so wrong? And she is not the only one. Did you watch our evidence session yesterday?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I find it somewhat ironic that someone who went on 11 foreign trips in two years should criticise other people for not being at the university. However, from your answers to Joe FitzPatrick, I do not quite understand why you then asked your company secretary and chief operating officer to negotiate without prejudice a package for Wendy Alexander to leave.