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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

But you agreed to that—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You say that we are further on, but you cannot tell us how much further on, because you cannot give us any more detail about when we will see the bill, other than that it might be just before the Parliament goes into summer recess.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

That is my point, minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Has it always been the intention to present the bill just before summer recess, or has the timing slipped at all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

But you cannot give us any more detail—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Promise. We have received apologies from Keith Brown, and I note that Roz McCall is joining us this morning.

For our evidence session, we have Natalie Don-Innes, Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise; Gavin Henderson, deputy director for keeping the Promise; and Iona Colvin, chief social work adviser.

Minister, I understand that you would like to make an opening statement. Over to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

So, give us a ballpark figure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Henderson, what I am looking for is whether the bill is roughly there and you are, say, 10 per cent away from putting the finishing touches to it, or whether you are a long way off and it will be more likely that we as a Parliament will get it just before we all go on summer recess, meaning that our opportunity to scrutinise it will not start until September. That is a fear that I am now picking up from the minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

It is looking at exemptions for care-experienced learners from the policy on school exclusion, and the recommendation from officers to council is that the option to exclude from school as a last resort should be retained. That would be contrary to what the Promise seeks to do.

Right now, today, on 26 March 2025, we have local authorities in Scotland that are urging councillors—it is council officers who have written the paper to urge councillors—to support a policy that would not be in line with the Promise.