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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The Courier is fairly sure that you sent a text message, which is why it ran the story this morning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that I would remember how I ended my career at a university, and I would hope that it would be done in a proper way.

Do you know what I thought when I read that story this morning? Regardless of whether it was an email or a text message, when I read that story, the only thing that I thought about you was that you were a coward. You could not go back to the university to face the staff who were losing their jobs or face the students whose studies were so badly disrupted. You just created this mess and walked away into the sunset. Is that right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What pay-off did you get for walking away from the mess that you created?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It is a very simple and straightforward question. Let us be clear: you got more than 拢150,000 to walk away from a university that you almost destroyed. Did you deserve 拢150,000 for doing that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Were you disappointed? Did you genuinely believe that, if the chair of court and others had not asked you to resign, you could have turned the situation around? Were you the right man to solve the problems that you had created?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have not said one way or the other whether you think you deserved the 拢150,000-plus pay-off. Given everything that has gone on, everything that you have, I hope, read鈥攅ven though you did not watch our evidence yesterday鈥攁nd everything that you have heard from your former colleagues and from students who trusted you to lead their university, have you, at any point, considered paying that money back?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

At any point, did you consider that, having created this mess, you did not deserve that money so would pay it back?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But you do not regret them enough to pay back 拢150,000.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

How can that be the case when you were the accountable officer? Were people not telling you the truth? Were they withholding information from you? Were you not in the country or at the university enough to hear those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Hold on, Professor Gillespie. First of all, if you had watched yesterday鈥檚 evidence session, you would have been very clear that the finance director was totally out of his depth in this area. He did not feel that he had the required expertise to deal with the covenant. From listening to him yesterday, I accepted that he would not be passing on advice on the issue, because he was seeking advice himself. I am not sure how you can put all that on him.

You were the accountable officer. You were in charge. You were the principal. By the sound of things, you were not that worried about the situation. You travelled down to London and had an ad hoc conversation about it. There had been a major breach of the finances in your university. You held a very senior position at that time, not just in your university but for universities across Scotland. Are you telling us that you did not inform your own court鈥攚hich is in charge of governance鈥攁bout the issue?