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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am relaxed that the former chair of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and Dr Chris Williams from the Royal College of General Practitioners are relaxed and comfortable that there would be existing sound governance arrangements in place for that. That is why we have come up with the term “relevant health professional”.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I suppose that that goes back to the narrow focus of a member’s bill. I can look at only one element of the drug and alcohol issues that people face. However, the bill does not step on the toes of any other issues. It does not supersede anything else that has gone before it or will go after it; it looks specifically at the treatment element. Anything around trauma-informed diagnosis or support would continue and would in no way be affected by what is in the bill that is in front of us. It is an extremely important element of the overall package to help people to overcome their addiction issues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I heard that evidence, and it is a point that Mr Harvie’s colleague Gillian Mackay raised a number of times, including last week. I am sorry to labour the point, but it bears repeating: the bill would not stop any of that multidisciplinary working, and it would not prevent any of the good working between the third sector and a number of different organisations. It would add treatment options in the narrow area of drug and alcohol addiction, but it would not prevent, stop or in any way diminish the work done by others; I hope that it would work in collaboration with it. It would simply add tools to the toolkit, so that people could seek the support and help that they were looking for.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It goes back to what people are seeking from recovery services and what they are not receiving from them. The largest proportion of the cases that I hear about involve people who have addiction issues with drugs and alcohol, so that is the bill’s priority. That does not mean that we cannot look at Mr Harvie’s point. Perhaps the Government or other members could consider introducing a bill that looks specifically at those issues.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, there is a very strong indication of that. I welcome the fact that the Government has remained neutral on the bill. It has not said that, because of the assumptions in the financial memorandum, the bill is simply unaffordable. It has waited to see your consideration and it has considered the Finance and Public Administration Committee’s report, so it still has open eyes and ears about what the bill seeks to do and the costs of that.

It was important to get the bill to stage 1 to allow further consideration and tease out the details that all the members of this committee have raised. Some of those details have been in support of the bill, some have challenged it and some are about things that will have to fundamentally change. If we were to shut off the debate now, that would send a worrying and alarming signal—to people who seek to use these services today and in the future and, indeed, to wider society—that we have reached the peak of our ambitions to tackle drug and alcohol misuse in Scotland.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Obviously, some training is available, because people are currently doing those assessments, but there would have to be further training to increase the cohort of people who are able to do them, because demand would increase. We know that many people seek help and support through the various treatment options and do not get it—they are already assessed as being appropriate for the treatments that are listed in the bill, but they are not getting them. One element of that is the capital costs and such like. Hopefully, others will be encouraged by the bill.

I am sorry, but I cannot remember who—it might have been Ms Wells—talked earlier about people in our most deprived communities becoming aware of what is in the bill and their legal right. I will see it as a success if we improve that awareness and if there is more demand on our hard-pressed health professionals because more people feel comfortable about coming forward to discuss the recovery journey that they want to take to overcome their addiction issues. I hope that that is backed up by adequate support in the financial memorandum.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

If people have a right to action in the courts and qualify for assistance, it is only right and proper that justice should be allowed to take its course. Enshrining that in law allows people to take it to the next level. I know that, in submissions or oral evidence, people were concerned about the costs of judicial review, and I accept that going to the lengths of a judicial review is extremely complex and financially burdensome, but other areas and avenues, such as legal aid support, would be available. As I have said, if people have the right to that assistance and qualify for it, they should be able to use it.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

What I am saying is that the bill does not tie the hands of future Governments, because, if it is passed, the Government can pass legislation to remove it from the statute. Sorry—I probably did not explain that well.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I want to speak about stigma first, because Ms Harper has spoken about that issue quite a bit, particularly in relation to people in rural areas. We will probably come on to talk about that, but the issue was also mentioned in the Audit Scotland report “Alcohol and drug services”, which was published in October. I hope that the bill will be passed by the Parliament, but Audit Scotland and the Auditor General for Scotland were already speaking about stigma in relation to drug and alcohol services, so we already have a problem to overcome.

I agree with the cabinet secretary’s comments last week about our making positive strides to destigmatise those who are suffering from drug and alcohol misuse. I also agree with people who have commented on the bill that the very fact that the Parliament is looking at the Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill means that we are shining a light on an area that has not had enough attention in the past.

I do not agree that the bill’s provisions would be exclusionary. As I said, they would not take away from any existing services; they would simply add to the available treatment options. The bill looks only at a particular element of drug and alcohol misuse—the treatment element—and does not take anything away from any of the other great services that operate in Scotland or services that could be provided in the future, because it provides for a number of opportunities for Government ministers to add to elements of the bill, whether those are treatment options or other services.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.