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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you.

Finally, are current SDS staff fully involved and engaged with everything that the Government is doing in the apprenticeship sphere at the moment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Are SDS staff part of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

We have all accepted that there is significant expertise and institutional memory within the staff of SDS, and that they do good work鈥攖hat is why they would move across to the SFC鈥攃an you give a commitment that, should SDS staff or the board think that SDS staff should be involved in any of those working groups, they would be guaranteed to be part of that, so that they do not feel excluded?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That is a welcome reassurance.

Minister, I thank you and your officials for your time today. We welcome your commitment to send us follow-up information, some of definitely ahead of our stage 1 debate.

I will now suspend the meeting for about 10 minutes.

11:49 Meeting suspended.  

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am still unsure, though. The committee has to produce a report, which will be scrutinised by the Government and voted on by the Parliament. At what stage will parliamentarians who will vote on the general principles, potential amendments and the final bill know the cost?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Our next agenda item is consideration of an item of subordinate legislation that is subject to the affirmative procedure. The committee will take evidence on the draft Regional Strategic Bodies and Regional Colleges (Glasgow and Lanarkshire) Order 2025 from the Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans, and his officials. The minister will also move the motion that the order be approved. I welcome Graeme Dey, who is accompanied by Jess Dolan, head of institutional governance and reform; and Alison Martin, solicitor.

I invite the minister to speak to the draft order.

12:00  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Separately, what do you think that the proposal means for the future of the University of the Highlands and Islands, as it is now the only remaining body with such a structure? Are you satisfied that nothing should change and that UHI is operating well, or do you have concerns that, as it is the last remaining institution with that structure, it should perhaps change as well?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You have said 鈥渁s soon as possible鈥 a couple of times. Do you have a timescale? Will that work be completed in this parliamentary session or the next?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The committee must now produce its report on the draft order. Is the committee content to delegate responsibility to me, as convener, to agree that report on behalf of the committee?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That is encouraging because, across the committee, we had been quite concerned about that.

There was indication that a commitment had been made by your officials on 9 December 2024 to keep up the engagement with unions. I understand that there were staff absences, but the Government is a large organisation and people would normally pick up the slack. Given that, as Mr FitzPatrick said, it got to the extent that five unions were coming to us, speaking with one voice about their concerns about the lack of engagement with you and your officials, why was the engagement not maintained by other members of your team?