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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. This morning, we have our final evidence session on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome Graeme Dey, Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans, and his officials from the Scottish Government: Andrew Mott, head of legislation and community learning and development unit; Cath Henderson, apprenticeship team leader; and Alison Martin, solicitor. Thank you all for joining us.

Before we move to members’ questions, we will begin with an opening statement from the minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Mott, do you agree with that? You were suggesting that it would not be provided before stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am trying to tease this out.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In terms of the quantum, though, there is a massive difference.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Does that not suggest that you have got something wrong with the bill? People are in favour of the principle and they do want a more streamlined skills landscape—no one told us not to do that—but there are concerns about what you have brought forward. We will get into the issue of cost later, but perhaps you can tell us now how much you think the change will cost, because that will be over and above the benefits that a streamlined skills landscape will deliver.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

How much do you think it will cost to implement the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry, just to be clear on that point, you will not know that before stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, I know, but you have known that you would have to work through that process. It has not been unknown or sprung on you—indeed, it came up in our evidence last week.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Did that invite go out before or after last week’s evidence session?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The last couple of questions are from me, minister. Clearly, financial concerns have been well expressed by the committee members to you and your officials today. There are also concerns within SDS about finances. I understand that SDS previously requested a letter of comfort for the SDS directors to be exempt from personal liability for any costs or financial deficits arising directly or indirectly from the reforms. Will the Government provide that letter of comfort?