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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 15th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is to hear oral evidence on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

We have two panels of witnesses with us today. I welcome our first panel: Clare Reid, director of policy and public affairs, Prosper; and Professor Nigel Seaton, fellow, Royal Society of Edinburgh. Good morning to you both.

I will kick off the questions. What is the problem that the bill seeks to address and does the bill address it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, Mr Boyle, but getting a report in September that was due in January is not giving the committee the right information at the right time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

They are now signed off.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Sadly, I have called the division. If you had thought of mentioning that before I did so, we could perhaps have considered your request. I apologise to committee members, and I accept responsibility for not allowing Mr Kerr’s views on the topic to be debated.

For

Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Kidd, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 114 disagreed to.

Long title agreed to.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I was going to ask about that later. There are a number of questions about financing and transfer of staff and suchlike, so we will come back to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I welcome our second panel of witnesses today on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill. We have Martin Boyle, chief operating officer at the Scottish Funding Council; Damien Yeates, chief executive of Skills Development Scotland; and Catherine Topley, chief executive of SAAS. Thank you for your time.

We will go straight to questions. I am not sure whether you were all here for the earlier session but, in answer to my first question, the witnesses told me that there is not a problem, but they would answer the question anyway. I will stick with the word “problem”, because I do not believe that, in the final year of a parliamentary session, a Government would be dealing with an issue if it did not think that there was a problem to solve. What problem does the bill seek to solve? Does it solve that problem?

I will go to you, Mr Yeates, just because you are looking at me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry—you gave an example of an area in which you could do something in spite of the moratorium.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Similar to my comment to Professor Seaton, I note that housing and skills are not new issues. They have not just come up in recent weeks or months; we have been debating them in the Parliament for many years. Do you think that we have failed to make adequate progress in those areas, if your members are still raising them as key barriers to progress?