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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have not said one way or the other whether you think you deserved the £150,000-plus pay-off. Given everything that has gone on, everything that you have, I hope, read—even though you did not watch our evidence yesterday—and everything that you have heard from your former colleagues and from students who trusted you to lead their university, have you, at any point, considered paying that money back?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

At any point, did you consider that, having created this mess, you did not deserve that money so would pay it back?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But you do not regret them enough to pay back £150,000.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

How can that be the case when you were the accountable officer? Were people not telling you the truth? Were they withholding information from you? Were you not in the country or at the university enough to hear those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Hold on, Professor Gillespie. First of all, if you had watched yesterday’s evidence session, you would have been very clear that the finance director was totally out of his depth in this area. He did not feel that he had the required expertise to deal with the covenant. From listening to him yesterday, I accepted that he would not be passing on advice on the issue, because he was seeking advice himself. I am not sure how you can put all that on him.

You were the accountable officer. You were in charge. You were the principal. By the sound of things, you were not that worried about the situation. You travelled down to London and had an ad hoc conversation about it. There had been a major breach of the finances in your university. You held a very senior position at that time, not just in your university but for universities across Scotland. Are you telling us that you did not inform your own court—which is in charge of governance—about the issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You found out about the situation in late September or early October. Why did it take until mid-November to contact the Funding Council to alert it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that we now have enough context from your very full answers, so if we could just get to the point for the rest of them, please.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Carry on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It was in September or October.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Rennie’s first question was on whether there were any complaints about your behaviour. You now seem to know an awful lot about that case—