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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You said that you had those discussions with him. Did those discussions include a pay-off and an offer for her to go on trips around the world funded by the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand that. I am sure that things were respectful between you and her. However, I just want to know the details of those discussions. Were offers made for her to go on trips and to receive a substantial pay-off?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I cannot believe that you can say that with a straight face. It is very clear. Why, when Professor Gillespie, as the principal and vice-chancellor, instructed you to remove someone from the university would you offer that person the opportunity to go and work for the university abroad? It was clearly an enticement to leave. You have just told us that there was conflict between the two of them. With that conflict, how could you possibly believe that the arrangement was to benefit the university if the principal did not believe what that individual was advocating? Those trips were to get someone to leave鈥攃an you not accept that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The bigger issue was not responding to that and continuing to spend. Dr McGeorge, as chief operating officer, why did you not you see student numbers going down but staff numbers and other costs going up? Spotting that is a chief operating officer鈥檚 role.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you accept that that is how it could be and, I think, would be perceived?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It would have been valuable if she had been continuing, but it was part of an exit package, which is different.

Do you accept that there is a perception among some people that the discussions that you had without prejudice were enticements rather than how you describe them? Would it be criminal to use the university鈥檚 money to buy someone off in that way?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

That is funny, because people tell us that the people person did not respond; they do not caveat that by saying that you did not respond by email but came and spoke to them. It is clear in the evidence that we got that you were ignoring serious concerns.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We have spoken about the covenant a bit and I want to delve into it. However, before we get there, there is something that I want to get on the record from the three of you. Did you all fully engage with the Gillies report, and did Pamela Gillies and her team interview you all?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I will challenge that in a moment.

If we say that you were made aware in November鈥擥illies suggests otherwise鈥攄id you, at that point, look at the scenario of a breach and what a university and a company secretary should do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It would not take much looking up. I am not suggesting that Mr Fotheringham will argue this, but there might be an argument from others that, although this is a financial issue, given that it is a breach, which has implications, that is a company secretary鈥檚 job.