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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but that question was not for you, Dr McGeorge.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

A number of people have asked about this, and we have not really got to the bottom of it. On the management accounts that were not provided in periods 9, 10 and 11, page 33 of the Gillies report says that it is not clear why that happened, and I still do not think it is clear why that happened. Crucially, who decided that those papers would not be provided?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why did you not? What is your explanation or reason for not doing that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am shocked that a chair would ever stop interrogation, discussion and debate. I personally believe that that is a major failing. If you are saying that you have done that in relation to even a small proportion of what your court members wanted to ask, do you not accept that that is a failing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to questions from Joe FitzPatrick.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We have had a bit of a discussion around finance. Continuing with that theme, I note that page 38 of the Gillies report states that a number of individuals, including Mr Fotheringham and Dr McGeorge,

“appeared to operate in isolation of facts”.

Did you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Is Gillies wrong, then, in that assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But Gillies is very clear that those opportunities were not difficult to spot. It sounds as though you were asleep at the wheel. Did you enjoy the title of chair of the court while not being particularly keen to do the work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You say that you engaged in a “curious way”. Where was your curiosity when all this was going on and you did not intervene?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The report says:

“P9, P10 and P11 management accounts (April, May and June 2024) were produced in draft but never finalised into papers that reached UEG.”

Surely members were asking you where that information was and why they were not getting it. The report also says, on page 33:

“It is not clear why this happened or who decided that these papers would not be provided.”

You said that you were curious and wanted to drill down. Did you find out?