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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

We have been here for more than four hours both this morning and into the afternoon, and I appreciate the time that you have given us. However, I will finish with the question that I started with, because, after four hours, I am no clearer about it. Why did this happen? A lot of explanation has been given, but I am concerned with the why. Is it just the simple fact that we had all the wrong people in all the wrong senior positions of responsibility who all failed to pick up on the deficiencies of the others? Is there any other conclusion that can be reached?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes—it was a massive statement that you were issuing to the Funding Council, and you think that it was appropriate to drop them a three-line email. Maybe it was your view that the matter was not that serious—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry—hold on. Staff were clearly going to be under threat as a result of the situation. Students were going to be worried. Tens of millions of pounds were going to have to be saved somehow, and someone with decades of experience at the university, who told us at the very beginning of the meeting how proud he was of that institution, tells the Funding Council, “I’m just dropping you a line to say that the university I have been part of for so long is in such financial crisis that we’re looking at saving £25 million to £30 million.â€

I think that that shows a complete lack of any concern about or understanding of the gravity of what you were about to impart to that university community, which has led to the situation today. Do you not accept that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that that comes across in your email?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Dr McGeorge, did you at any point communicate to any vice-principals that they could not attend any committee meetings?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, there will not be any evidence to substantiate the claim that I have received that you personally advised vice-principals not to attend.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Nothing at all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

There is a difference between acknowledging and accepting. Do you accept that your court failed in its governance responsibilities in June 2024?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You did.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You did, because you said that, if you felt that questions were not relevant and they were operational, you would not allow them. You have literally just said that.