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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You mentioned when you were here in January, and you have mentioned again today, that you are awaiting reports. Like you, I think that people were expecting something sooner, but, if we get to the right place, people will accept that it has taken a bit more time. You have mentioned a lessons-learned report. I think that you gave a commitment in January to come back to the committee when you had that report. Is it still your position that you are keen to have scrutiny by local members? I would fully support it if Willie Rennie and others wished to have a statement in the chamber, but sometimes we can get into greater detail in a committee session. Is that something the Government is committed to doing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back, and I welcome to the meeting our second panel of witnesses. Graeme Dey is the Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans. He is joined by Shirley Laing, who is director of lifelong learning and skills, and Clara Pirie, who is a senior policy manager in student equalities and fair access at the Scottish Government. Thank you for joining us today.

Minister, I understand that you have an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you say that the plan was for 2022 to 2024?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it an integral and crucial part of the plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Has it taken too long?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

It depends on the criteria, but I think that you are confirming鈥攑erhaps you can use the words yourself鈥攖hat any university in Scotland could seek to meet the criteria to get part of that funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much, minister, and thanks again to your officials for their evidence earlier.

12:14 Meeting continued in private until 12:41.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You have asked other witnesses a question about veterans, Mr Brown. Given that the minister for veterans is here, do you want to ask it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

That is good. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I will make this as a personal point, as I do not speak on behalf of the committee, but I am a bit disappointed that you have come here today, unable to answer what I think are basic questions. This is quite a short inquiry鈥攜ours is only the fourth panel of witnesses鈥攁nd this theme has run through all of the evidence that we have received so far. Therefore, I was a bit more hopeful that we would have some solid answers. I was not expecting a commitment, because I understand that Governments have to make choices, but I am disappointed that you cannot tell us today if this measure will require legislation and that you have said that you have not even looked at the costs. I just want to put on record the fact that I find that disappointing.

Before I move to other members, I want to ask you about Professor McKendrick鈥檚 first report as commissioner for fair access, which he submitted in January of last year. It took the Government until September to respond to it. Why did it take so long? Further, the commissioner plans to produce his second annual report by March, so when can we expect the Government鈥檚 response to that?