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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Was it your decision to implement the change or were you advised by the former principal or others who are on the panel to do it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have all been extremely positive and passionate about the University of Dundee, which begs the question why you allowed it to get into such a situation.

Dr McGeorge, you said that, during the period that the Gillies report covers, you did your very best. If that is your very best, it is pathetic. You are identified as one of the worst offenders in the report. Your conduct—what you oversaw and allowed to happen—is unacceptable. How can that possibly be your very best?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But the report also makes it clear that it would not have been difficult to challenge that. Someone with your experience, who had spent many years at the University of Dundee, should surely have questioned what you were getting from Mr Fotheringham and what the former principal and others were asking you to pass on. You did not do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but members of the university executive group were also on the court. Did they not come to you, as chair, to say, “We’re not getting this information”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, is Professor Gillies wrong in her assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have already blamed Mr Fotheringham for that, so you are reiterating that. That is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

He will, we hope, answer that tomorrow. However, that is the reason why you, as chair of the court, did it—because the former principal was telling you that he could provide that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but how could any director of finance not remember a principal telling the university and the wider public that the university was moving into a surplus position when you have just told us that it was clear then that it was not? That was the total opposite of what you are telling us that you believed, but you sat on your hands and claim not to have heard the principal saying that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

—and it is very clear that a breach of the covenant, whether tested or not, is reportable to the SFC. Therefore, the point that you just made does not even matter.

Mr Fotheringham, how could a director of finance not know? I put to you the same point that I put to Dr McGeorge. When you were trying to work with the bank to stop the breach happening, or to prevent its implications, did you not pull a file or carry out a Google search to see what a breach means for a university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why not?