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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you, Mr Briggs. We now move on to Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Let us try that. Okay. We will start again.

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

This morning, we will take evidence from the Scottish Government in an education and skills cross-portfolio session. We are also joined by Liz Smith MSP, who will ask her questions after all committee members have spoken.

I welcome Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills; Graeme Dey, the Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans; and Natalie Don-Innes, the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise. The cabinet secretary and ministers are joined by their Scottish Government officials, and I welcome Graeme Logan, director of learning; Clare Hicks, director of education reform; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Stuart Greig, deputy director, governance and assurance division, lifelong learning and skills.

I understand that the cabinet secretary would like to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

All the committee members have asked their initial questions. I will go back to a few of them after we have heard from Liz Smith, who has joined us today.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I go to Joe FitzPatrick, I will go back to the Minister for Children, Young People and the Promise. Minister, do you agree with John Mason when he says that expecting Liz Smith to meet and almost negotiate with trade unions and COSLA over teacher contracts with regard to her bill is an almost impossible barrier? Is it appropriate to ask the member in charge of the bill to do that, or are there other mechanisms that could be used?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. We now go to Joe FitzPatrick.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I move to Pam Duncan-Glancy, who would like to come in with a supplementary question, I will go back to Mr Adam’s first question about the cost of the school day and free school meals. Cabinet secretary, would you like to elaborate on any aspect of your response to the Government-initiated question this morning? [Interruption.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Do not worry about it at all. We move to Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Please carry on, Mr Adam.