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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

Indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

You have referred in a number of your projections to the size of the increase in the health spend, which I think you are estimating will be just under 50 per cent of the change鈥攊t is about a third now. Obviously, there will also be an increase in the social security spend. Do you have any views on the scope for public sector reform in the economy to address the increase in the costs that we are having to cope with?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

I want to ask about data. It was put to us by two former ministers and one civil servant last week that, when it comes to good-quality decision making in the Government, it is essential that good-quality data is available鈥攊f the Government chooses to ignore it, that is another matter. Having such data available is critical to good-quality decision making. Are there gaps in the data that it is necessary to put before Government ministers? Is there anything that we can do to improve that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

Your first example about biodiversity is a classic example, because the data that you need will not exist until years from now. That might be slightly different from the business case for deciding on business rates or whatever, because that detail potentially exists, although you might not have it. In the case of biodiversity, the data that you need on which to base policy might not come for another five or 10 years. An example of that is moorlands鈥攚e were having that debate last year or the year before. To what extent is that a serious problem for the Government in devising policy? Effectively, there is nothing that it can do to get that data.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

I will come to other two gentlemen, but first, when you say that there is a case for making better use of the existing data, what is it that acts as a barrier to doing that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 28 March 2023

Liz Smith

I do not think that there is much scope to be able to reduce costs. As you rightly say, if we want a world-class health service, costs are going to rise in that sector more than they will in the rest of the economy. That has been the nature of health service costs for a long time.

Is there scope for reform elsewhere, in the non-health, non-social security aspects of the economy, that could help us to make some savings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Liz Smith

Correct.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Liz Smith

That would be very helpful. The convener has asked questions about the significant amounts of money that are being transferred between portfolios. If we are talking, on a longer-term basis, about a figure of 拢1.3 billion as a minimum鈥攊t could be more鈥攖hat is a considerable amount of money. It is important to the Parliament, and certainly to this committee, that we know what the plans are for how that money will be deployed. If there are any delays in the process of the project, which is what is happening, that frees up money that could be spent on other things, which might address some of the constraints that we have before us. Could we get some more information on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Liz Smith

Can you clarify whether there have been any conversations between you, John Swinney and civil servants who look after budgets on whether that is up for discussion as a major piece of money that can be deployed elsewhere?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Liz Smith

That is helpful. You have made it clear that there has not been much discussion about the issue鈥攃ertainly not with you and the cabinet secretary. I find that slightly strange, I have to say. The national care service was a flagship policy that the Scottish Government wanted to put in process, and it has fallen foul of at least four committees in the Parliament, which have very serious concerns; I think that another three committees are looking at it just now. There is clearly some concern about not just the general direction of the policy, but how it would be financed. Our job in this committee is to scrutinise the financial aspect.

We were told that a second, much more detailed鈥攁nd, one would hope, more accurate鈥攆inancial memorandum would be coming down the line fairly shortly. That was before the delay, and we are now left in a bit of an open space with regard to exactly what is happening. It would be helpful if we could get some clarity on all that.