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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

Deputy First Minister, former ministers and former civil servants said that some financial rules that we have as standard practice for decision making have been found, on occasion, to be “optional”. It is a concern for the committee that proper practice for the financial management of policies is sometimes not adhered to. Is that a concern for the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

Thank you for that. I urge you to reflect on what the Auditor General has said about public finance and the need for additional scrutiny and transparency, because, as you know, he has not been very comfortable about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

It was put to us in the context that, when it came to various procurement issues—whether in relation to Burntisland Fabrications, Prestwick airport or various other things—it would have helped if there had been more civil servants who had experience of the necessary decision making.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

Good morning. Deputy First Minister, as you know, we took evidence from 15 former ministers and former civil servants. The former ministers represented three different political parties who have been in Government over recent times. They were unequivocal in their views that, at times, too much decision making is rushed, unclear and unstructured. Do you agree?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

Permanent secretary, I want to take you back to the start of your short statement. You said that the third aspect is leadership of the civil service. It was put to us by former members of the civil service that one of the problems with the current civil service is that there are too few people who have ability in relation to commercial expertise. Do you agree with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 16 May 2023

Liz Smith

Okay. So you do not disagree that there has been an issue there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Liz Smith

We will go to Wales first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Liz Smith

Thank you, Professor Martin. The distinction that you have made between the two processes with regard to advising ministers is interesting. How easy do you find the second process—that is, looking at the evidence and guiding the minister to the data that might have been there previous to the decision that is made? Are you data rich or are there gaps in the knowledge that you have to provide to the minister?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Liz Smith

Can you give us an example of a time when different types of evidence have pointed in different directions and the difficulties that that might have caused?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Liz Smith

Thank you.