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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Minister, you are correct in saying that, at the time, there was substantial stakeholder engagement鈥攐bviously, the bill has a substantial impact for the country. However, by and large, those stakeholders were telling you that what was proposed in the initial bill was not at all satisfactory and that, on a cost basis, it was going to be unaffordable. That is what was coming back and, as you know, four committees of the Parliament had considerable concerns about the original bill.

My question is about the co-design principle. If co-design is to work well, surely the stakeholders with whom the Scottish Government is engaging must be able to flag up those concerns early doors, so that we do not get into this kind of situation, in which there has been a very substantial change鈥攑art 1 of the bill has completely gone鈥攁nd we are repurposing four attempts at a financial memorandum. Do you accept that the principle of co-design has not worked in this instance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

But that did not happen with the first iteration.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Before I ask my next question, I put on the record that I am involved in the Eljamel inquiry through my casework.

If it transpires during the inquiry that other jurisdictions might have some influence on determining what evidence is relevant and what might apply, how would the chair of the inquiry in Scotland take that on board in their discussions with the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

The convener was asking about the possible costs. Do you predict that the stage 3 amendments may push up costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Given that on-going co-design, can I ask the minister what kind of amendments she is expecting at stage 3?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

The Government has made great play of the co-design principle鈥攚hich, I note, is still one of the underlying principles behind the change. At the start, minister, both you and your predecessor, Kevin Stewart, made a great play of the co-design. What went wrong that led to such a substantial change being made to the proposed legislation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

What criteria would you use in deciding that an inquiry should be judge led?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

In your experience, would that discussion be had between the Scottish Government and a proposed chair?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

That is helpful. Lord Hardie, the terms of reference of any public inquiry are primarily for the Scottish Government to decide. In some inquiries, those who are affected by the inquiry, plus the chair of the inquiry and their team, will have input to those terms of reference. I think that I am right in saying that we have had three inquiries鈥擯enrose, child abuse, and Covid鈥攊n which the terms of reference have changed over time because certain evidence has come out and there has been a case for making a change. Are we often under pressure to change the terms of reference, because of the difficulties with some public inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

If it were to be the case that the terms of reference had proven not to be sufficient to allow evidence from another jurisdiction to be taken into consideration, would that matter have to come back to the chair of the Scottish inquiry, to be discussed with the Scottish ministers?

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