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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Liz Smith

May I just pursue that? With all due respect, this committee is looking at the big picture. The committee needs to do that from the perspective of getting an overview and carrying out scrutiny, but it needs to look at the cost aspect, too. Therefore, when I see the title of that report, I think that it is exactly what the committee wants to look at鈥攖he role of commissions and commissioners in Scotland and the impact that the UK might have on that.

The issue that the committee has to look at is commissioners who have different roles. You have been very clear that your research relates to advocacy for one particular group, but there are other commissioners, some of whom handle complaints, some of whom have a regulatory role and some of whom have an investigatory role. The committee wants some idea of the whole picture. With regard to your specific remit, do you have any concern that there is no overall strategy for that bigger picture and what it might be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Liz Smith

I am sorry, but I did not say that鈥擨 did not say that at all. What I am saying is that it is only part of the bigger picture.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Liz Smith

鈥攁nd what I am asking in relation to the title that you presented the committee with, which is the issue that we want to delve into, is whether your specific role would raise questions about the overall strategy for commissioners in general. I am asking whether that came up, either in your own research or with the people to whom you spoke.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 16 April 2024

Liz Smith

I fully understand that you have been examining one specific aspect; indeed, you have said so several times now. However, have questions not been raised about the overall role of commissioners and their respective staff and how they are serving Scotland? Has that not come through your research at all?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

It is a long-standing convention of this Parliament鈥攔ightly so, as the convener has set out鈥攖hat the financial memorandum must be presented in time for the legislative process. That is not after stage 2. If that is a misunderstanding, we have to correct that very quickly.

I suggest that there is also a wider problem here. We have to ensure that any legislation that we pass in this Parliament is fit for purpose and is good law. Whether parties vote in favour of or against the bill is not the main point. The main point is whether the financial memorandum is factually correct and whether the evidence supports it. At the moment, it is very difficult for us to understand why a bill team thought that it was appropriate to come with the numbers after stage 2, which is after the committee stage as well as the stage 1 debate in Parliament. Do you accept that we are right to have those concerns?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

Good morning. Mr Thomson, the problem that this committee has, which the convener has rightly pointed to, is that we are asked to scrutinise the numbers that have to go behind a bill. This is the fourth bill in recent months about which we have had concerns because the accuracy of the numbers does not suit the scrutiny that we have to provide. Do you accept that, when a bill team makes a presentation to Parliament, it is essential that the financial memorandum that goes with the bill is understood and clearly set out before we get to any legislative process? Do you accept that as a bill team?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

It would be very helpful if we could get details on when we might expect the revised financial memorandum, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

That would be very helpful.

I want to pursue a related issue. I do not know how many framework bills we have in the Parliament just now, but there are a lot. My understanding is that, from a Scottish Government perspective, one of the reasons for framework bills is to try to ensure that there is as much discussion as possible between the Government and relevant stakeholders to co-design鈥擨 think that that is the term that the Scottish Government uses. In other words, we have a better chance of getting good legislation if the stakeholders have had really good input into it. That is my understanding, and I think that that is the committee鈥檚 understanding. The problem is that the co-design process goes on beyond the publication of the financial memorandum, as you have just shown us, and beyond the initial stages of the legislation. Do you accept that that is also a problem, as it means that, if the process of suggestions coming in about the bill is still on-going, we will be unable to decide what the costs will be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Report on Climate Change and Fiscal Sustainability)

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Liz Smith

I have a question, which is one of clarification. Professor Roy, you raised an interesting point about future Scottish budgets and said that it would be helpful if we could see the numbers on how much has been spent to mitigate climate change. Should that be done within each portfolio of the existing budget, or are you suggesting that there should be another section in the Scottish budget that shows a cumulative total?