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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

Lynda Towers, you mentioned the possibility of a fourth estate, if you like. Do you think that demand for greater integrity has come about because the public trust in Government and in the ability to be effective in delivering public services has been questioned or is perhaps failing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

My apologies for being slightly late this morning. Can I return to the question of fiscal transparency and sustainability, which is the most important thing for this committee? Is it your view, Mr Marks, that the increasing number of framework bills that we have seen over the past 18 months has made the challenge of identifying the transparency and sustainability of the money that goes with those bills more difficult?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

Why do you think that we have had an increasing number of framework bills compared with what we have had in previous Parliaments?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

That is a very helpful answer. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

That is interesting. Professor Page also said something very interesting when he suggested that, if we were to go back to the evidence from 2006, it would make sense for us now to have a complete overview of what the structure should be and to consider where we are going with this and how we can make public life and the Scottish Parliament more effective. That begs the question: should we accept some of the demands for individual changes or should we have a complete review of the whole set-up and of what a commissioner is supposed to do? From your responses so far, I think that you are suggesting that it should be the latter.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 21 May 2024

Liz Smith

I think that there are two frustrations for the committee, the first of which is that, too often in the recent past, we have found ourselves, as Michelle Thomson and Michael Marra have said, having to send back a financial memorandum, because it has been incomplete and, in some cases, inaccurate and based on out-of-date figures. When it comes back to the committee, it takes up time in our work programme that we should be using for other things. I am interested to hear your reflections on that. After all, if we want Parliament to work effectively, it is not terribly helpful to have financial memoranda coming back to the committee all the time.

The second issue is the timing of some of the preparation for bills. I absolutely understand why a framework bill might be advantageous if you want to involve a lot of stakeholders in designing the legislation, but if that co-design process is to go on for quite a long time after the bill starts the legislative process, that puts us in an almost impossible situation, because it is very difficult for us to have any idea of how to estimate the cost. Do you accept the committee鈥檚 frustration about these two things?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

At the moment, we are looking at the effectiveness of the commissioner landscape. When it comes to the particular commissioners, the statistics on what is happening to children and young people just now鈥攚hether those are about poverty, attainment or those who are able to fight their case, which is a difficult thing for children and young people to do鈥攁re not terribly impressive in showing that we are doing a better job for young people. That is, therefore, quite a challenge. As a committee, we have to identify whether that situation has come about because the commissioners are not doing a very good job or because public services are failing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

That is a very interesting reflection. In some cases, there might have been human error, with the people who were responsible for overseeing a case not having done their job effectively, but there could be system failure, too. In some ways, that is the more interesting point, because that might need legislative changes. What are your reflections on whether we should spend more time trying to address failures in existing public services or whether we should create more commissioners?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

Good morning. An issue that has been put to us by people who have given evidence so far is that one of the reasons for the proposals to increase the number of commissioners is that there have been failures in public services, which have resulted in new demand. I am sure that Ms Haughey will be aware of the Eljamel case. I can cite on-going examples of where public health services have failed former patients of Eljamel. I am sure that the forthcoming public inquiry will uncover some of that.

Ms Nicoll, some would argue that the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill was introduced because of pressures on the existing police forces, which are not able to do some of the things that we would like them to be able to do. To what extent do you feel that the people who have given evidence to our committee so far have a fair point about failures in public services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland鈥檚 Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

What was the commissioner arguing for in the evidence that she gave to your committee, which you just cited? What gaps in delivery did she cite?