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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

We are in the very difficult position in which, as the convener set out in his questioning, we are looking at costs that are vastly different from those that were initially presented to the committee. In addition, we understand that the Scottish Government had known about some of the inaccuracies for quite some time—six or seven months, perhaps.

Our problem is that, on what is an important amending bill, we are being asked to make a judgment about matters in relation to which we do not know enough of the facts. I hope that you would agree that that is not good for parliamentary scrutiny.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you for that detailed response—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

When the bill team gave evidence to the committee on 26 March, it indicated that it was its intention to publish the updated financial memorandum after stage 2 of the bill. Is that effective procedure, given the need for parliamentary scrutiny?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

—but I do not think that it answers the question. Do you accept that, when it comes to the process of submitting amendments at stage 2, it is possible that we might be hampered by the fact that we will not have a detailed, up-to-date financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

How would we go about making that comparison? How do we decide whether the right person to do something is a commissioner, rather than a champion or some other public sector body, whoever it might be, maybe not living up to their reputation? What should the criteria be for us, as a Parliament, to use in deciding on that outcome?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

Dr Plastow, you gave an interesting response earlier when you said that you had been a bit surprised that you had not been asked for further scrutiny on the seven reports that you have done over your time. Do you think that the Parliament could benefit from greater scrutiny of such reports on a more regular basis, so that we are deciding what has been delivered effectively and what has not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

It is much more difficult with the advocacy remits to define what it is that you are trying to do than if you are regulatory or dealing with complaints, where that is easier to measure. Our difficulty—and the Parliament’s difficulty—is that quite a few of the potential new commissioners are to do with advocacy. To try to measure and define what it is that they are going to be looking at is quite difficult. Thank you very much for your comments. They are very helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

Ms Agnew, you raised an interesting point earlier when you said that you felt that there was a bit of a gap sometimes. Does that gap come about because other bodies that could be looking after a problem are not doing their job sufficiently well? One of the questions that the committee is looking at is the almost doubling of the number of commissioners in future. Quite a lot of the new proposals are about commissioners who have an advocacy purpose. Has that resulted from the fact that there are other areas or other public bodies that are not doing as much as they could to address a problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

Some of the proposals for new commissioners have been made in members’ bills. Individual ³ÉÈË¿ìÊÖ who, for one reason or another have been working with constituents or on a particular issue, have decided that there is a gap. Should the Parliament be looking at that, to give more scrutiny to the process of deciding where the need lies, or is it just up to the member to make a proposal?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Liz Smith

Ms Johnston and Mr Bruce, do you have any reflections on exactly what the problem entails? We have a situation where we are technically almost doubling the number of commissioners. Does that reflect poor scrutiny or problems within the delivery of public services? Why have we got into this situation?