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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you, convener. I apologise to you, cabinet secretary, but I am to give evidence to another committee at 10.15, so I will have to leave early. I am not walking out on you, but I will have to leave in order to present evidence in committee room 3.

I will begin on the topic of child disability payments, for which there is currently 拢450 million in this year鈥檚 budget. The statistics that we are being given for next year鈥檚 budget show that it will go up to 拢618 million, which is an increase of 37 per cent鈥攚hich, I have to say, is a very considerable increase.

Will you comment on why there is such a substantial increase in that part of the budget over the course of just one year, especially when adult disability payments are going up by around 11 per cent and when the 37 per cent is far in excess of what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

The Fiscal Commission has said that the number of people who are not coming off the case load is quite substantial. Is that a concern to the Government?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Do you think that those reasons explain the whole 37 per cent increase? That is a very substantial figure for just one year of a budget.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Can I be clear that the 37 per cent increase covers not only those for whom you think the application process in the existing system has been easier, but more people who will come into that system who are eligible for payments? Is that what you are saying?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

My final point is on the $64 million question. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has just published new costs relating to mitigation of the two-child cap. It says that the cost will be 拢155 million and will rise to 拢198 million by 2029-30. That means that social security spend in Scotland, which is already something like 拢529 million more than the money that is secured for devolved benefits, will go up. Where will the money come from to meet the commitments that the Scottish Government has set out?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

There is a frustration, Mr Boyle. As the convener said, we have highlighted the issue several times in our reports. Mr Marra commented that Audit Scotland reports have come out recently in which it is a constant theme. We have also heard it from the Scottish Fiscal Commission. A frustration is building because if we are to have better government鈥擨 do not mean that in a party-political sense鈥攚e need to be able to have better scrutiny.

I am conscious of time, convener, so I will leave it there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

I have a quick question on your dilemma of how to ensure that more people use public transport as you try to rationalise the workforce. I represent Mid Scotland and Fife, and we have had a lot of problems with the train service in central Fife鈥攕pecifically, the reduction in the numbers of carriages, because of the drivers issue. How will you go about making those two difficult pieces of the jigsaw come together?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

Mr Boyle, I refer back to Mr Marra鈥檚 earlier questions, when he鈥攓uite rightly鈥攆ocused on some of the concerns that we have as a committee about how we seem to be standing still. Your report 鈥淔iscal sustainability and reform in Scotland鈥濃攑articularly in paragraph 6, in which you say that you have difficulty in being able to scrutinise some aspects of the fiscal situation because you are missing documents and there is not enough transparency鈥攅ncapsulates our frustrations. We have heard similar concerns from the Scottish Fiscal Commission. This committee has issued several reports over recent years setting out our real, serious difficulty in relation to the lack of transparency and accountability. Do you think that Parliament having a finance bill, which obviously we do not have right now, might help with transparency and accountability?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

I have, but because we are not making any progress, I want to ask it again.