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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

Minister, I do not have any issues with the order that you have set out. However, it raises issues that we have been wrestling with in the committee for a long time, and our predecessor committee—the Finance and Constitution Committee—in the previous session of Parliament was doing exactly the same. We are all struggling to get a handle on what the criteria are for measuring public sector reform.

I have heard you and Shona Robison say in the chamber several times that there has been quite a lot of improvement in the efficiency of public services. It is not easy to see that, and I think that you would probably agree. Do you have any way of helping the committee to know what criteria we should be looking for to see how well we are advancing with public sector reform?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

It is a big question, because we are responsible for scrutinising public money. If aspects of public sector reform are working particularly well in saving public money and delivering better outcomes, it is important to the Parliament and the committee to demonstrate that. I am interested in how Scottish ministers or civil servants can provide some of the data that we need to scrutinise that a bit more, because, if we could do that, it could go a long way towards improving how the Parliament works and giving the public some confidence that public sector reform is working.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

When is that data—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

You said that an update was coming.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

That sounds positive.

Following your opening remarks, the convener asked you about Dame Carol Black’s comment that every £1 that is spent might get a £4 return due to reduced spending in justice and health services, which is obviously encouraging. Paragraph 94 of your financial memorandum refers to a Public Health Scotland figure from 2009, which put the cost of illicit drug use at £3.5 billion at a time when drug use was less than it is, sadly, today. Drug use is higher now, so the costs will be higher. Do you therefore consider that savings might also be much higher as a result of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

In the chamber, Mr Ross, you have put it to the Parliament several times that the bill is designed specifically to complement, rather than to replace, the other policies that are designed to improve treatment. Do you have any way of ascertaining how well all those might come together, if your bill is passed? Will we see a reduction in some other areas, or will what is in the bill be in addition to them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

My final question is on collaboration. We have had good collaboration from the Scottish Government and other political parties, as far as I can make out. Although the people who have written to the committee are raising various challenges and saying that the costs have been underestimated—that is fairly common for a financial memorandum, but it has to be said—do you feel that there is good-quality collaboration across the sectors that would need to address the provisions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

It will be published later this year.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

That is helpful.

You mentioned that the Scottish Government has committed to ensuring that there are a certain number of beds. That is good, and you have every expectation that they will be provided. When it comes to resolving the capacity issue, do you think that there will be considerable scope for cost reduction?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 11 March 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you.