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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Right. It seems to be really important to have that information. Just to accept the situation—just to accept what the Home Office is saying—is maybe not the right approach. Maybe somebody should be going back to the Home Office to say, “This information is almost vital to this exercise, so could you provide it?” Can you test it again?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

At the least, it could ask.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Does the exercise identify individuals who have committed fraud?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Would you say that it is pointing organisations in the right direction with regard to how to identify individuals who might be committing fraud, or how to prevent fraud happening?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Do you not have a total cost for the exercise?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Has anyone pushed the Home Office on this?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

You have not?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I will ask you about something else—the council tax reduction scheme. Before I ask you a specific question about that, do councils generally share information? Do they talk to each other? In Scotland, we now have a large number of councils that charge double council tax on a second home. That relies on people being honest about having a second home. It seems to me that it would be easier to discover that from councils speaking to one another—actually, across the UK. Does that happen?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

It has always gone on—there have always been people who use blue badges when they really ought not to. Do the figures suggest that it is rather too easy to get away with that?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

That brings me to adult concessionary bus travel, which has the same issue. You are right that, when somebody dies, people have a lot to deal with, and dealing with a blue badge or a bus pass is probably quite far down their list of priorities. However, the report says that 1,075 bus passes have been used after somebody died. That means that someone is using a dead person’s bus pass. That is not the same as just forgetting to tell somebody.