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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

The national mission is due to end in 2026. What is the national mission and what has it achieved?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I did not want to leave the Auditor General out of this, so I will quote from his report, which says:

“In 2022/23, people in the most deprived areas of Scotland were seven times more likely to be admitted to hospital for an alcohol-related condition than those in the least deprived areas”.

I think that we are all agreed on that, but it strikes me that the NHS and the alcohol and drug partnerships are having to pick up the pieces for a failure to improve the general wealth of the nation. If poverty is embedded in some communities and is not getting any better, it is you guys who will have to pick up the pieces. I was therefore concerned to read in the Auditor General’s report about an 8 per cent decrease in real-terms funding for ADPs over two years. Why was that done, given that we have such deep-seated problems?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

How can you link minimum unit pricing to admissions to hospital?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

If we have this divergence between Scotland and England, at some point, people will start to react to that. In fact, I read in The Sunday Post at the weekend that we are getting “booze runs”, which used to refer to people who live on the south coast hopping across the Channel to stock up on cheaper drink, but which now appears to be happening in Scotland—certainly in the south of Scotland. People are driving across to Carlisle, filling their boots and driving back.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I have one other question in another area—

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Thanks very much, convener, and good morning to you all. It has been a really interesting session so far.

I want to pick up on a few things that have come up already—I will stick to the matter of residential rehab. The Auditor General says on page 33 of his report that there are barriers for people accessing residential rehab. He says that

“many people are identified as unsuitable”

for it

“because they have mental health issues ... there are no local facilities and for whom moving family and children would be impractical .... they are not ready to cope with the high intensity of a residential programme”

or

“they are not able to meet the requirements of an abstinence-based approach.”

Given that he is quite clear about that point, do you think that there are people who need residential rehab who are missing out on it?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I accept that not everyone is suitable for residential rehab and that it is not a magic bullet. That is true. However, my basic question is this: are the barriers too high in some cases? Are there people who might be suitable but who are missing out because of the strict criteria?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

I will ask about another area. Colin Beattie raised a point about younger people. Anecdotally, we read that younger people are perhaps not drinking as much as their parents did. I can testify to that. We have read various reports that there are now younger people who just do not drink at all. Have you got any data for Scotland? If that is the case, it would suggest that, at some point, the alcohol problems that we have will lessen.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. That would be great.

Maggie, you said that street benzos are more prevalent in Scotland than they are elsewhere. Do we have any idea why that is or has been the case?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

There are a couple of other areas that I want to ask about quickly. You have already mentioned minimum unit pricing. In your letter to the Auditor General, you repeatedly called the policy “world-leading”, saying that it

“has saved hundreds of lives”.

What is the evidence for that?