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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I am confident that the members of this committee would ensure that stuff did not leak. It would be a serious matter if it did. Membership of this committee comes with certain responsibilities, and confidentiality is one of them. I have never sat on this committee, but I am sure that you deal with things that are confidential, and there have been no leaks. We just have to trust members of this committee to do their job.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It is very important. I just would not be comfortable with setting a figure鈥攁nd certainly not 10 per cent.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I know. I really do not think that the threat of a fearsome whip is enough, to be honest. Actual hard-and-fast rules need to be set down, otherwise the scenario that I have set out is possible. What if somebody just decided to ignore you, Ms Mackay?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It would be difficult. There are some very large regions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

That is correct.

At the moment, it is possible for any of us to decide not to come in, and that is wrong. That cannot be right. My starting point was that, because I had been a councillor, I knew the law that applied to councillors, which is very clear: if you do not attend for six months, you can be removed but you will not necessarily be removed. For example, I took part in a vote in South Lanarkshire Council about a colleague鈥攏ot a party colleague鈥攚ho had been off. I will not say why they were off, but they were and there was a very good reason why. The council decided that they should be allowed to continue, and that individual is still a councillor.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes. Let me put it another way: if we are being honest, nobody really knows who they are going to get when they put that cross on the ballot for the regional list. They end up with who they end up with. For that regional element, nobody voted for me individually鈥攂ut if I were to be subject to a recall vote, people would have heard of me, because I would probably have done something. Then it is about the individual MSP and their behaviour鈥攐r alleged behaviour鈥攏ot about the party. In my view, that individual should have the chance to make their case.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

My thoughts are that, if we accept that there is a two-step process for constituency members鈥攚e might not鈥攖hen we should be consistent and have a similar process for regional members. If we were to change to a one-step process for regional members鈥攊n which case we would not have the 10 per cent threshold; we would just do away with that鈥攚e would have only one vote on whether that person should stay or go. If we did that, however, why would we not have a one-step process for a constituency member and go straight to a by-election?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You are asking whether people should be able to disagree, and that is not an unreasonable proposal. Perhaps that could be explored at stage 2.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that it is enough that somebody is incarcerated.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that somebody would have to be in jail.