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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes—and you know that I always try to be helpful.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Good morning, everyone. I will not go around all the witnesses, because there are quite a few of you. I will start with you, cabinet secretary. I gave you a double thumbs up earlier when you said that you accepted that we should use miles rather than kilometres. Can you just confirm that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I agree. I labour the point that we use miles, not kilometres, in this country, but every witness so far has talked in kilometres. If I ask you how far you travel from Linlithgow to Edinburgh, you will give me a figure in miles, not kilometres, because that is the way that people talk.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that you mentioned that two cities are looking for a regulatory framework.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Can you be more specific and say what it is that they are actually looking for? What do they want to do that they cannot do now?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

There are some final points from me. You mentioned the south city way, which is a good example of how things should be done. That is in Glasgow, of course—I have used it. You mentioned the electrification of the East Kilbride line; I am very much looking forward to being able to use the train again when the line reopens on, I think, 18 May.

I come to my final question. Gail Macgregor mentioned integrated ticketing, which we have spoken about many times. Where are we with that? My frustration has been that it is taking far too long.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Put me on the smart ticketing board and I will give you a hand.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay, but the Auditor General says, in paragraph 14 of his report:

“To achieve the target, car traffic levels will need to decrease by 7.3 billion kilometres”

—he has fallen into the kilometres trap there—

“to 29.3 billion compared to a 2019 baseline. The last time car traffic levels were at this level was in 1994.”

That spells out just how tough it is—not just for you, but for councils—does it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

The target was always challenging, was it not? Some people might say that it was unrealistic.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

You do not have to be wrong. Transport Scotland can get it right by using miles in all its documentation. That is what it should do. Anyway, that is not why we are here, but I will take that as a small victory.

How did we come up with the 20 per cent figure? I know that Mr Nicol kind of answered that, but, from the Government’s point of view, how was that figure arrived at?