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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Graham Simpson

Before I ask you about community engagement, I want to push back a bit on your view about flooding. You will correct me if I am wrong, but what I picked up from what you said is that you think that flooding is driven entirely by climate change. I am not disputing that climate change is a factor, but exhibit 2 in your report sets out various reasons for flooding. There is river flooding, surface water flooding, erosion-enhanced flooding, coastal flooding and groundwater flooding. We have also spoken about housing developments, which can exacerbate the risk of flooding. Therefore, do you accept that, although climate change is a factor, it is not the only thing that can cause flooding?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Graham Simpson

I will go on to community engagement briefly. We have touched on it a bit. Paragraph 77 on page 33 of your report says:

“Overall, there are major barriers to meaningful engagement for both public bodies and communities. This includes issues and barriers around consultations on major flood schemes”—

we have just spoken about one—

“as well as engagement around broader resilience activity.”

Will you provide some detail on what the “barriers to meaningful engagement” are?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Graham Simpson

Do you have any examples of that disinterest?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Graham Simpson

I want to follow on from Jamie Greene’s line of questioning and ask you about a specific project that you mention in the report: the Grangemouth flood protection scheme. It is a very good example of what we have talked about, which is how costs have spiralled and responsibilities have changed. In 2015, the cost was estimated to be £108 million; now, it is as much as £672 million, and the scheme is not off the ground yet.

A task force has been set up that involves Falkirk Council, which clearly cannot afford even a fraction of that sum, and the Scottish Government. I will give you some figures that tell you about the scheme’s massive size: it will provide around 17 miles of flood defences, which will involve walls, embankments and floodgates; and it will protect more than 6,000 people, 2,700 homes, 1,200 commercial properties and 14 miles of roads in the surrounding area. What is your understanding of the situation and how the scheme should be progressed?

Public Audit Committee

“Flooding in communities: Moving towards flood resilience”

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Graham Simpson

That is a comprehensive answer. I am very aware of the time, and I know that Mr Brown is itching to get in, but I have one more question on this subject. When someone is a victim of flooding, they need instant information and help, probably from the council—they want it to step in. Have you uncovered any issues with community engagement, or lack of it, in that respect?

Public Audit Committee

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Graham Simpson

Good morning, gents. If it is okay, I want to look at some of the losses that the bank has incurred so far. We had a very useful evidence session with the bank, and we accept that the nature of its work is that there will be losses—and there have been losses; from what I can see, there have been a couple. We know about Circularity Scotland, and we can come back to that, but there has been a more recent one—M Squared Lasers Ltd. What is your understanding of the potential loss there?

Public Audit Committee

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Graham Simpson

However, potentially the loss could be all ÂŁ34 million.

Public Audit Committee

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Graham Simpson

I am saying that, potentially, the loss could be all ÂŁ34 million. I am not saying that it will be, but, potentially, it could be.

Public Audit Committee

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Graham Simpson

Mr Hogg seems to want to say something.

Public Audit Committee

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not know whether that is an acceptable level of loss or not. It seems quite small, and you could get a return on the bank’s investments in other companies. That is the nature of it—I get that—but it is important that I ask about this particular investment, because it is quite recent.