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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

How was it done? Was it by letter or was it a discussion?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Which minister—Mr Brown or Mr Mackay—then gave the nod to go ahead?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I want to go back to the preferred bidder decision. Have I picked you up correctly as saying that you were not involved in that decision at all?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Right, so it was his decision and his alone—or was anyone else involved?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I have one further area to explore. You have already been asked about when things started to go wrong. You had a meeting with Jim McColl in the Parliament in June 2018. At that time, CMAL and FMEL were, let us say, at loggerheads. Jim McColl said that he asked you to intervene and to instruct CMAL to take part in the expert determination process—let us call that mediation. According to him, you said that you could not intervene. Is his recollection correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

That is not what I am asking you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Absolutely. Mr Middleton, at the start of the session, you described reporting the risks to ministers. Did I pick you up right in saying that it was only Derek Mackay to whom those were reported?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

In your recollection and view, those risks would have been reported to Derek Mackay and his then boss, Keith Brown.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I have a final question, convener. What leaps out from the Auditor General’s report is that, despite the risks being reported, we do not know why ministers took the decision that they did. The Auditor General said that, when he wrote the report, there was “no documentary evidence”. Do you know why ministers ignored CMAL’s reservations?