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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire Collegeâ€

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Graham Simpson

Okay. I think that the same point applies, though. There were brand-new members who had not gone through proper training by then, and a representative of the Scottish Funding Council was present at that meeting, so the same question applies, whether the suspensions happened on 4 November or 30 November.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire Collegeâ€

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Graham Simpson

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire Collegeâ€

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Graham Simpson

My view is that this could be a police matter. Do you have a role, if people want to come to you in confidence with information?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire Collegeâ€

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Graham Simpson

Thank you very much, convener. It is good to be back at the committee. I served on the Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee in the previous session, but I should say that I have no relevant interests to declare—I do not think that what is declared carries over from one session to another.

It has been interesting to listen to the lines of questioning from members. I will pick up on some of what has been said, but I also have questions of my own. I have been aware of concerns about the college for some time now, and I have been approached by people at the college. Willie Coffey asked about the impact on staff. I have been an elected member—both as a councillor and as an MSP—for some time, and I have never come across a situation in which people are as scared as they are in this case. That applies to current staff and former staff. I have never seen anything like it. I will give the committee some background to that, because it has not had it yet.

Craig Hoy mentioned the meeting on 4 November last year, at which there were six new board members. Of course, that was the meeting at which the principal, Aileen McKechnie, and the interim clerk to the board, Brian Keegan, were suspended. There is a question about whether a board with six new members who had not gone through proper training should have taken such a big decision. A representative of the Scottish Funding Council was also present at that meeting. Was that appropriate?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 26 April 2022

Graham Simpson

I am content with all that, but it strikes me that the very fact that the instrument breaches the 28-day rule suggests strongly that it has been rushed through, for the reasons that have been outlined. The instrument involves the use of a new test for rabies, which gives quicker results than the one that has been used traditionally, from which people get the results in two weeks—with the new test, the results come back in two to three days.

I am not sure which committee will be the lead committee but, whichever one it is, it should look at the issue and satisfy itself that the new test is up to the job. I am sure that it is—I have no reason to think otherwise—but the lead committee ought to look at that because, no matter where an animal has come from, we need to ensure that we are safe.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

What was unique about the situation? You have not explained that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

If the shareholder was not putting pressure on you to do it, would it not have been sensible to ask it whether it was happy with what you planned and whether it was content with the current arrangements?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

If the shareholder was not putting pressure on you to do it, why did you do it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Right. So it did not come from the shareholder.

You said earlier—these are your words—that it was a unique situation. There is nothing unique about companies getting into trouble, as you describe it, having to make changes and, potentially, making redundancies. There is absolutely nothing unique in that. The difference with this situation is that any other company would have gone through proper process, so why did you not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I have a final question. Natalie Don asked you whether you would be prepared to accept £5.50 an hour. I do not think that you would be, because I have done a quick calculation based on your basic pay and not bonuses, and you are on a princely £156 an hour. That is pretty good going. How do you think the sacked workers think of you when they look at that rate of pay?