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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

I am delighted that we have heard from Chris Bryceland; I was feeling rather sorry for him. I have a follow-up question for him. Has the UK Government set a timescale for deciding on that project? I do not know the answer to that; perhaps you do.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

That is good to hear.

Cabinet secretary, you have visited the site, as we have done. You mentioned aviation fuel, which is already produced there, but there is a big opportunity for Grangemouth and Scotland to produce sustainable aviation fuel—SAF. Did you discuss that with Ineos when you visited? What do you think needs to happen for SAF to be produced at Grangemouth? That could be a massive opportunity for Scotland.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

That is what he was referring to.

I have one more question. I have been reflecting on what you have been saying throughout the meeting. The UK Government has been mentioned quite a lot. It occurs to me that, when you are producing the plan for Grangemouth, the UK Government should perhaps be involved in some way. I do not know how you feel about that. The UK Government has come up in our discussion today, and it has clearly been investing in the area through various schemes, so it would seem appropriate for it to be involved at some point.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

I feel like I have joined the panel to help Mr Beattie out. The simple answer to his question is that, at the moment, hydrogen cannot be used for larger planes whereas the airlines will tell you that SAF could be used. It is, basically, a like-for-like replacement. That is a simple answer. We are not quite there yet with hydrogen.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

Thanks for that. I have a few questions that arise from the sessions that we have already had and that have not been asked already.

Going back to the plan that you hope to produce—obviously, you cannot tell us what will be in the plan; I understand that—I wonder about the level of detail that might be in it. Will you set out when you hope to do things by? Going back to Fiona Hyslop’s question about transport, would it set out which roads you will fix, or will it just be aspirational?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes, that is correct. However, Jim Skea, who you mentioned earlier, said that he did not see the evidence to justify your belief—let us hope that you are right and that he is not—that we could be a major exporter of hydrogen. Furthermore, Friends of the Earth Scotland has referred to the Scottish Government’s “pie-in-the-sky predictions”. Who is right?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

You are completely right, but the issue relates to a just transition.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

I think that Màiri McAllan and Neil Gray must work together closely on the issue, and with the UK Government. Once we start to produce SAF in greater quantities, the price will come down and Scotland’s airports will benefit, because airlines will go there as they have SAF available. That represents a huge opportunity.

By the way, the cross-party group on aviation sent its report on the subject to the Scottish and UK Governments. We are still waiting to hear back from both Governments. It would be useful to get a response.

I will move on to hydrogen, which has been mentioned. Cabinet secretary, you were quoted in one of the newspapers—The Herald, I think—as saying that you thought that hydrogen could be a major export for Scotland. What did you base that on?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Graham Simpson

You are quite right not to make it up as you go along.

I want to double-check on the make-up of the Grangemouth future industry board. Both Liam Middleton and you, cabinet secretary, alluded to getting the private sector more involved. Will you ask for people to join the board or, as Liam has said, to engage with the board?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 19 April 2023

Graham Simpson

When you have those meetings around the country, do you invite local people so that you can find out about local issues?