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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Oh, blimey. Gee whiz—that is extraordinary. I was not expecting that.

I will move on to another line of questioning, after that bombshell. I want to ask you about net zero, which you mentioned earlier, and you mention it in report, of course. I ask you to look at paragraph 9 in your report and I will read out the final bullet point in that paragraph:

“The June 2023 progress report describes how some projects are considering their impact on climate change. It does not assess the overall impact projects will have on net zero targets.”

Can you explain the difference?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You are right that we have explored this before. It is reasonable to say that the Government seems to be struggling to say how projects affect net zero.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Is the struggle that the Government is having holding up any projects?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Moving on, I want to talk about the condition of the public sector estate. Your briefing repeats a call that you and this committee have made consistently for a consolidated account to be produced covering the devolved public sector in Scotland. What stage is the Scottish Government at in responding to that recommendation?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That is a fair point. You also make a really good point about the use of buildings. For example, some councils have been considering closing leisure centres. However, if that happens, the NHS may turn around and say, “If you close that centre, it will impact people’s health, which will cause more problems for us.” Is that the kind of joined-up approach that should be taken? If a council is considering doing that sort of thing, should it talk to the health service?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You are absolutely right. Sharon Dowey asked an interesting question—well, she asked lots of interesting questions—about the condition of the public sector estate. She said that the single Scottish estate programme survey is limited to only administrative buildings and not other buildings. What is the rationale behind that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Graham Simpson

I will continue on the same theme, and I have some other questions.

The report presents a pretty bleak picture, and some of what you have said already highlights that. When you were preparing your briefing—I accept that it is just a briefing—did you have discussions with the Scottish Funding Council?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Given the cost pressures, the industrial disputes that are continually going on and are likely to continue, and the wage pressures on colleges, how likely do you think it is that we will see compulsory redundancies in the sector?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Colleagues will probably want to delve into the situation at Ayrshire College a bit more deeply, so I will not do that.

One of your key messages in the briefing is:

“Effective, affordable workforce planning is now a greater than ever priority and challenge for colleges.”

What does that mean in practice? Given the reduction in college budgets that you have outlined, who is responsible? Is it colleges or the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Graham Simpson

The reason I ask is that I have been told that the Scottish Funding Council keeps its own risk register. There is basically a list of colleges that are doing well, some that are not doing so well and some that are listed as potentially being at risk of closing. My understanding is that there are five such colleges. Have you heard that?