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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

My question is about the use of arm’s-length foundations. Derek Smeall, you rightly said that colleges are not allowed to keep surpluses. Prior to 2014, they could do so, but then colleges were reclassified as public sector bodies and were therefore not allowed to keep surpluses. As a result, I think that every college set up an arm’s-length foundation. Have those foundations been used to any great extent? What is the current position?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Have you asked to meet?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

What happened? Did the SFC just not respond?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

To follow up on that, you said that you had not met the Scottish Funding Council, but I presume that you asked for a meeting.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I am happy to leave it there, convener.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Obviously, it is common sense that those meetings should be taking place, and it is a real concern that they are not.

To clear up, in my head, the discussion about the maintenance backlog, I have a question for Derek Smeall. Is it the case that, as of now, we do not know what the maintenance backlog is?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I will jump back to something that the convener touched on earlier. I am keen to know the state of play in the college sector. From a previous evidence session, we know that the Scottish Funding Council keeps a risk register of colleges. Some colleges—about five or six—are colour coded black, because they are most at risk. Is that your understanding?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I wilI rephrase the question, then. Do you think that there are colleges that are at risk of going under or closing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

The latest figure that I have for your college, which came from 2021, says that you had £1.7 million in your ALF. At that point, my local college, South Lanarkshire, had £3,000. Last year, that college put an extra £0.5 million into its ALF, which makes it a bit of an outlier. Is that something that you have heard of?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023â€

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Why are individual colleges, such as yours, not keeping a record of your backlog?