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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Before you do so, Mark, I just want to make an observation—and it is not a criticism, just an observation. I do not know whether 45 is a good number, but, if not, it might just be because you are new and people do not know about you. Perhaps a challenge there is for you to get yourself known better.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Of course, members of the public might not know the difference between Environmental Standards Scotland and SEPA, or understand which organisation does what.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I have other questions, deputy convener, but I know that other members want to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

No—they are on different areas.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I have read your response to the Scottish Government’s consultation on its “Report into the Effectiveness of Governance Arrangements”—that is a bit of a mouthful. You say that

“Scotland has been found to be in breach of the Aarhus Convention in ten consecutive findings since 2014”.

That seems like a pretty poor record to me. What are the consequences of that for the Scottish Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will stop you there. From a Government point of view, there are no consequences other than a slap on the wrist from a committee, and it is too expensive for ordinary individuals to go to court. Why not leave things as they are? That seems to be the Government’s stance.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

So you are basing the decision on something that you do not know.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

But you have also said that you do not actually know how many older people will use the older persons scheme.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Graham Simpson

It is not a hypothetical—